well guys i got bad news today
my friend who is a tree guy was gonna bring me 60 cubic yds of wood he claims it woulda been 7-8 cords or more depending on the size
for 300
he came and asked me if i cared about my yard....oh no/… he said the weight of the truck would destroy my yard and wouldn’t reccomend it
he thought he could go in my neighbors driveway but then said the boom might not reach the spot plus there are trees he would have to navigate around.. he said he could drop a tree for free but wasn’t sure if the boom would work:(((((( so now i am gonna split it with my friend but i have to haul it from his house which is about a twenty minute trip i will be doing it about 6 xs with rounds for 3.5-4 cords ... now i am gonna have the other guy bring it csd for 115 for green
anyways ..... 4 cd at 115 =460
3.5-4 cd =150
GAS = 75
TOTAL 685 =8 CD
VS 3500 FOR OIL
HMMMMMMMMMM
well guys i got bad news today
my friend who is a tree guy was gonna bring me 60 cubic yds of wood he claims it woulda been 7-8 cords or more depending on the size
for 300
he came and asked me if i cared about my yard....oh no/… he said the weight of the truck would destroy my yard and wouldn’t reccomend it
he thought he could go in my neighbors driveway but then said the boom might not reach the spot plus there are trees he would have to navigate around.. he said he could drop a tree for free but wasn’t sure if the boom would work:(((((( so now i am gonna split it with my friend but i have to haul it from his house which is about a twenty minute trip i will be doing it about 6 xs with rounds for 3.5-4 cords ... now i am gonna have the other guy bring it csd for 115 for green
anyways ..... 4 cd at 115 =460
3.5-4 cd =150
GAS = 75
TOTAL 685 =8 CD
VS 3500 FOR OIL
HMMMMMMMMMM
Is the issue with the yard only now with the mud/tawing, or is it something that will always be a problem? If you have the room - I’d get the “mix” stacked and put away - it should be fairly good for next year. If the yard is OK - if still available - I’d definately get a load from your friend at that price, and build up some more during the summer. After that - you should be one step ahead and not have to worry about a window when he could drop the logs.
Will he run a load a little farther North? - that really is a good deal - take it while you can.
well guys i got bad news today
my friend who is a tree guy was gonna bring me 60 cubic yds of wood he claims it woulda been 7-8 cords or more depending on the size
for 300
he came and asked me if i cared about my yard....oh no/… he said the weight of the truck would destroy my yard and wouldn’t reccomend it
he thought he could go in my neighbors driveway but then said the boom might not reach the spot plus there are trees he would have to navigate around.. he said he could drop a tree for free but wasn’t sure if the boom would work:(((((( so now i am gonna split it with my friend but i have to haul it from his house which is about a twenty minute trip i will be doing it about 6 xs with rounds for 3.5-4 cords ... now i am gonna have the other guy bring it csd for 115 for green
anyways ..... 4 cd at 115 =460
3.5-4 cd =150
GAS = 75
TOTAL 685 =8 CD
VS 3500 FOR OIL
HMMMMMMMMMM
Is the issue with the yard only now with the mud/tawing, or is it something that will always be a problem? If you have the room - I’d get the “mix” stacked and put away - it should be fairly good for next year. If the yard is OK - if still available - I’d definately get a load from your friend at that price, and build up some more during the summer. After that - you should be one step ahead and not have to worry about a window when he could drop the logs.
Will he run a load a little farther North? - that really is a good deal - take it while you can.
i am not sure he just said that the weight of a huge truck plus the wood .. wood tear it up… its not that big .. but he said he put it close to the street but i don’t wanna leave it there ... the neighbors would bitch and it would be a enough of a distance to cut haul then split
they are doing a big job in northhampton so i don’t think you would be outta the way
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OMG!!!! my other wood guy called and said he can’t do 115 he has to get 150! because of fuel for him to drive here...but mostly because the wood has gone up so much from the log company he buys it from!!!
i won’t be using him .. i laughed because i think he is not being completely honest.... funny how he is paying 750 for a load now and i can get it less?????? and he sells almost 2000 cd a year?? hmm he didn’t wanna drive out here with such a high demand i am sure of it
funny though this guy went up 100 and claims he gave me a break by cutting off 50 but someone else will drive from the same area no 50 surcharge and 10 bucks less a cd… if this guy was more genuine i still woulda gotit from him but no way now!!
Are they doing the rt 66 clearing? - lot’s of nice trees there - If they are looking for a place to dump some wood - not far at all.
As far as the other guy - I’d agree - I don’t think I would be buying from them - depending on when you got the $115 price, and then to (basicaly say, my words) “I’ve got to pay more… because my supplier raised prices” is not an excuse - they should honor their quote - it’s not like there was an unexpected increase in price for the wood because of fuel/demand in recent weeks or even months for that matter.
Are they doing the rt 66 clearing? - lot’s of nice trees there - If they are looking for a place to dump some wood - not far at all.
As far as the other guy - I’d agree - I don’t think I would be buying from them - depending on when you got the $115 price, and then to (basicaly say, my words) “I’ve got to pay more… because my supplier raised prices” is not an excuse - they should honor their quote - it’s not like there was an unexpected increase in price for the wood because of fuel/demand in recent weeks or even months for that matter.
Pay attention now ............. Diesel fuel has gone up close to $1.00/gal in the last 1-2 months. Now take into consideration the wood is handled by 3 diesel guzzling machines before it gets to your house = price increase. Like I said in a previous post ,you better order and get it delivered NOW unless you want to pay a premium in a month or 2. Wood sourced from a mill or logger will be in short supply and a premium price this year due to fuel/supply and demand. My green price now is $80 more a load than it was last year at this time just to cover fuel expense. Not making 1 cent more at the end of the day.
Are they doing the rt 66 clearing? - lot’s of nice trees there - If they are looking for a place to dump some wood - not far at all.
As far as the other guy - I’d agree - I don’t think I would be buying from them - depending on when you got the $115 price, and then to (basicaly say, my words) “I’ve got to pay more… because my supplier raised prices” is not an excuse - they should honor their quote - it’s not like there was an unexpected increase in price for the wood because of fuel/demand in recent weeks or even months for that matter.
Pay attention now ............. Diesel fuel has gone up close to $1.00/gal in the last 1-2 months. Now take into consideration the wood is handled by 3 diesel guzzling machines before it gets to your house = price increase. Like I said in a previous post ,you better order and get it delivered NOW unless you want to pay a preminm in a month or 2. Wood sourced from a mill or logger will be in short supply and a premium price this year due to fuel/supply and demand. My green price now is $80 more a load than it was last year at this time just to cover fuel expense. Not making 1 cent more at the end of the day.
I understand that, but unless I was reading it wrong, it sounded like Ice had a deal with the guy for the delivered price, and that prior to delivery - the guy raises the price. I think the supplier should stick to the deal, if there was one. The price increase to cover costs is understandable, but IMO, you should keep the prior commitments, and the increase should apply to new orders.
Are they doing the rt 66 clearing? - lot’s of nice trees there - If they are looking for a place to dump some wood - not far at all.
As far as the other guy - I’d agree - I don’t think I would be buying from them - depending on when you got the $115 price, and then to (basicaly say, my words) “I’ve got to pay more… because my supplier raised prices” is not an excuse - they should honor their quote - it’s not like there was an unexpected increase in price for the wood because of fuel/demand in recent weeks or even months for that matter.
Pay attention now ............. Diesel fuel has gone up close to $1.00/gal in the last 1-2 months. Now take into consideration the wood is handled by 3 diesel guzzling machines before it gets to your house = price increase. Like I said in a previous post ,you better order and get it delivered NOW unless you want to pay a preminm in a month or 2. Wood sourced from a mill or logger will be in short supply and a premium price this year due to fuel/supply and demand. My green price now is $80 more a load than it was last year at this time just to cover fuel expense. Not making 1 cent more at the end of the day.
I understand that, but unless I was reading it wrong, it sounded like Ice had a deal with the guy for the delivered price, and that prior to delivery - the guy raises the price. I think the supplier should stick to the deal, if there was one. The price increase to cover costs is understandable, but IMO, you should keep the prior commitments, and the increase should apply to new orders.
Unless it was prepaid for there was no legal contract binding the seller to that price. Just like HHO or propane.
Are they doing the rt 66 clearing? - lot’s of nice trees there - If they are looking for a place to dump some wood - not far at all.
As far as the other guy - I’d agree - I don’t think I would be buying from them - depending on when you got the $115 price, and then to (basicaly say, my words) “I’ve got to pay more… because my supplier raised prices” is not an excuse - they should honor their quote - it’s not like there was an unexpected increase in price for the wood because of fuel/demand in recent weeks or even months for that matter.
Pay attention now ............. Diesel fuel has gone up close to $1.00/gal in the last 1-2 months. Now take into consideration the wood is handled by 3 diesel guzzling machines before it gets to your house = price increase. Like I said in a previous post ,you better order and get it delivered NOW unless you want to pay a preminm in a month or 2. Wood sourced from a mill or logger will be in short supply and a premium price this year due to fuel/supply and demand. My green price now is $80 more a load than it was last year at this time just to cover fuel expense. Not making 1 cent more at the end of the day.
I understand that, but unless I was reading it wrong, it sounded like Ice had a deal with the guy for the delivered price, and that prior to delivery - the guy raises the price. I think the supplier should stick to the deal, if there was one. The price increase to cover costs is understandable, but IMO, you should keep the prior commitments, and the increase should apply to new orders.
Unless it was prepaid for there was no legal contract binding the seller to that price. Just like HHO or propane.
You are right - there was probably nothing enforceable - the only thing he can really do is not buy from the guy. I was commenting on what an honest/reputable businessman “should” do, not necessarily what they are legally obligated to do (often times they are not the same).
Are they doing the rt 66 clearing? - lot’s of nice trees there - If they are looking for a place to dump some wood - not far at all.
As far as the other guy - I’d agree - I don’t think I would be buying from them - depending on when you got the $115 price, and then to (basicaly say, my words) “I’ve got to pay more… because my supplier raised prices” is not an excuse - they should honor their quote - it’s not like there was an unexpected increase in price for the wood because of fuel/demand in recent weeks or even months for that matter.
Pay attention now ............. Diesel fuel has gone up close to $1.00/gal in the last 1-2 months. Now take into consideration the wood is handled by 3 diesel guzzling machines before it gets to your house = price increase. Like I said in a previous post ,you better order and get it delivered NOW unless you want to pay a preminm in a month or 2. Wood sourced from a mill or logger will be in short supply and a premium price this year due to fuel/supply and demand. My green price now is $80 more a load than it was last year at this time just to cover fuel expense. Not making 1 cent more at the end of the day.
I understand that, but unless I was reading it wrong, it sounded like Ice had a deal with the guy for the delivered price, and that prior to delivery - the guy raises the price. I think the supplier should stick to the deal, if there was one. The price increase to cover costs is understandable, but IMO, you should keep the prior commitments, and the increase should apply to new orders.
Unless it was prepaid for there was no legal contract binding the seller to that price. Just like HHO or propane.
You are right - there was probably nothing enforceable - the only thing he can really do is not buy from the guy. I was commenting on what an honest/reputable businessman “should” do, not necessarily what they are legally obligated to do (often times they are not the same).
I guess I should go talk to the gas station down the street and tell them to sell me gas at the sign price of $3.29 from 8am this morning instead of the $3.33 price at 10 am because “it’s the right thing to do”.
At $115/cord CSD I would have had both my tri-axle dump trucks setting in front of HIS place within an hour with a check for as many cord as he had !!!!!!!!
diesel fuel is outrageous..A logger friend of mine runs a medium sized operation. He said right now he is going through $7,000/week in fuel cost!
It’s pretty easy to go through $200-$350 worth of fuel/day in each piece of equipment or truck! 2 log trucks,2 dump trucks, 2 skidders, power unit on mill, 2 loaders, genset to run processors,pallet shop and work shop ... 10 large motors x $200 plus/day = Min. fuel expense $2000 PER DAY not week !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This isn’t figuring in the gas for the job site truck or chainsaws. Then to listen to whiny wood customers bitch about a fuel surcharge on their wood delivery. Total B.S. If fuel goes to $5/gal ($4.35 right now) my operation will be shut down, we are already at a snails pace due to lumber market conditions.
diesel fuel is outrageous..A logger friend of mine runs a medium sized operation. He said right now he is going through $7,000/week in fuel cost!
It’s pretty easy to go through $200-$350 worth of fuel/day in each piece of equipment or truck! 2 log trucks,2 dump trucks, 2 skidders, power unit on mill, 2 loaders, genset to run processors,pallet shop and work shop ... 10 large motors x $200 plus/day = Min. fuel expense $2000 PER DAY not week !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This isn’t figuring in the gas for the job site truck or chainsaws. Then to listen to whiny wood customers bitch about a fuel surcharge on their wood delivery. Total B.S. If fuel goes to $5/gal ($4.35 right now) my operation will be shut down, we are already at a snails pace due to lumber market conditions.
well let me give you some more info…
i am not gonna buy from this guy because of exactly what was said.
i have been talking to him since late jan early feb.... he postponed a couple of times because the weather warmed up… but he would say sometime next week i call you to set up
I HAVE BEEN CALLING HIM because i was feeling like he was blowing me off
he said back then 2 cd wasn’t worth the trip it would be better if i got 4 the max his truck holds
i called and said 4 it is fast forward he calls me yesterday because someone backed out for a delivery on APRIL 8TH!!
so i am saying wow .....meanwhile i know that fuel cost have gone up but to tell me he is charging 50 for fuel cost .. but he will waive it for me??? but he has to get 150 and to call around because he is still cheap is bs.... he claims that its costing him 750 a truck load!!! I SHOULD CONTRACT OUT TO HIM AS I CAN GET IT 300-600 depending on the quality...... i just talked to another guy who said 30 cd for log length!!!!! which for a truck would about 240!!!!
i feel since i have been trying to get it since feb when it was much cheaper he should have honored the price… doesn’t mean he has to but he couldve and charged me 50 for fuel.... but… his company not mine… so i go elsewhere no big deal… if i gotta pay that price it will be to someone else.... i am sure he won’t care… sad thing is had he of done the “right thing morally” i coulda hooked him up with my people so in the end its his loss as he will pay more buying the wood!
I guess I should go talk to the gas station down the street and tell them to sell me gas at the sign price of $3.29 from 8am this morning instead of the $3.33 price at 10 am because “it’s the right thing to do”.
Well - you could give it a try - I don’t think it would work, but that’s not even remotely close to what the situation was here. The “right thing to do” would be to honor a verbal agreement that they already had. All legal issues aside - If you went into the gas station at 8AM, and asked if you could buy fuel later in the day at that price, and they said “yes” - then I would say it would be the “right thing to do” to sell it to you at the price, regardless of the new adjusted price. By the same token - if the price went down by 10AM - I’d say the “right thing to do” would be to pay them at the higher price. I know that’s not realistic, and I know the need to adjust prices based on costs (and fuel is a big one). From my standpoint, for what its worth, if an agreement was made, both parties should follow through regardless of any other changes in costs, because that really is the “right thing to do”
I guess I should go talk to the gas station down the street and tell them to sell me gas at the sign price of $3.29 from 8am this morning instead of the $3.33 price at 10 am because “it’s the right thing to do”.
Well - you could give it a try - I don’t think it would work, but that’s not even remotely close to what the situation was here. The “right thing to do” would be to honor a verbal agreement that they already had. All legal issues aside - If you went into the gas station at 8AM, and asked if you could buy fuel later in the day at that price, and they said “yes” - then I would say it would be the “right thing to do” to sell it to you at the price, regardless of the new adjusted price. By the same token - if the price went down by 10AM - I’d say the “right thing to do” would be to pay them at the higher price. I know that’s not realistic, and I know the need to adjust prices based on costs (and fuel is a big one). From my standpoint, for what its worth, if an agreement was made, both parties should follow through regardless of any other changes in costs, because that really is the “right thing to do”
Money talks B.S walks. Something is fishy about this whole story. $750/tri-axle load divides out to $94/cord you honestly expect this guy to CSD for $21/cord. Gas for saw and delivery truck alone is more than that. Ices $300-$600 for a load is more than likely from an arborist and is gonna be some crazy mix of knarly crooked stuff that is not gonna add up to 8 cord like a nice logger load will. $115/cord CSD is a screamin deal, if it was me buyin I would have gone to the guys house and paid him up front and had him follow me home with the load. I’m in the logging/mill business and $750 is about the average goin rate for a tri-axle (not tandem or tractor trailer) load most anywhere in the U.S. At $750 no one is makin a dime, it’s a break even affair. Nobody is getting rich in the wood biz. Bottom line is if he wanted the wood CSD at $115/cd he should have taken delivery then, not let it drag out for 3 months. Surely a guy that processes nearly 2000 cord a year could have fit his 4 cord order in quickly! Last I knew Sears didn’t allow layaways without some kind of money down!
