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How NOT to sell me a stove
Posted: 07 March 2008 08:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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its not static electricty it is electrical bleed threw and untill they realize that they arent going to fix it they have a new wall controll out that you dont have to take off the wall to make the screen come back on. not a fix if you ask me

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Posted: 08 March 2008 07:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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Hey! I resemble that woman remark! lol

$675 to install it with only enough pipe to go past your damper doesn’t sound like a great price. (I think they must be charging you by the pound for carrying it inside. rolleyes) If that price included a full chimney liner and an outside air kit then I’d say it was a deal. How were they planning to block off around the vent pipe? Maybe this price included fabricating a block off plate and insulating around it?

From a safety stand point, as well as for ease of cleaning your vent in the future, you really might want to consider taking the exhaust to the top of your chimney. If you search here for “chimney liner” I think you’ll find some good info.

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Posted: 16 March 2008 01:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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THEY ARE SELLING YOU ONLY A SMALL AMOUNT OF LINER FOR $117. WHILE THIS IS PERFECTLY OK, IT IS A BETTER INSTALL IF LINER GOES TO TOP OF CHIMMNEY. THIS WILL BE BETTER WHEN YOU HAVE TO CLEAN THE STOVE.
LABOR IN THESE PARTS IS 475 WITH LINER COSTING 475. WITH CAP. MUCH CLEANER INSTALL BOTH BEFORE USE AND AFTER. LAST THING YOU WOULD WANT IS ASH WHEN YOU HAVE TO PULL INSERT FROM HOLE. DIRTY DIRTY DIRTY. WITH FULL LINER JUST CLEAN INTO AREA BEHIND STOVE

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Posted: 18 April 2008 10:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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At long last my QF Mt Vernon AE is installed and running! First of all I can’t say enough about the dealer – Hearthstone in Stockertown, PA. Their installers were professional and meticulous as they wrestled the 450 lb monster into the precise geometric center of my hearth. Unfortunately for me they also noticed my flue had a cracked lining so they recommended lining it full length which I was happy to do. I had misgivings about having to clean less than a full length flue liner anyway. I actually got a bonus – Hearthstone only had a 4” liner in stock which they sold me for the price of 3”. The owner drove over to deliver it and check up on the installation. These guys were great.

Concern #1: Thermostat wiring and location. Wood Heat said I couldn’t use my existing 18 ga 5 conductor stat wiring which is hidden in the walls “because it’s a millivolt control and needs its own cable” whatever that means. They also said the stat has to be installed adjacent to the stove, which happens to be an outside wall, with the wiring run over the bricks. As expected my existing wiring was perfectly OK and the stat is mounted across the room exactly as I wanted it. It regulates temperature just fine from there, plus all the wiring is hidden in the walls as I wanted.

Concern #2: Power cord. Wood Heat was going to run the power cord in front of the hearth: “we don’t pull wires”. I installed a receptacle right behind the stove. Completely up to code and the wires are all hidden.

Concern #3: Battery backup. QF provides +/- 5 foot cord with alligator clamps on the end; I wanted a more professional installation with the battery and wiring in a remote location. Wood Heat said it wouldn’t work but really couldn’t explain further. The battery backup wiring was as jtp described – looks like what an auto battery charger might have with 14 AWG conductors, although the plug and spring clamps are high quality construction – they look to be from some European supplier. I was surprised the conductors were so small but then again they don’t expect the battery to be 16 feet away! I cut off the clamps, lugged the #14 to my #6 AWG cable going to the battery, and insulated the splice with heat shrink so it can be forgotten for the next hundred years. I don’t have a battery quite yet so I temporarily connected a 5.2 A linear power supply and to my surprise it worked, considering QF said its current requirement on battery backup was 12A. I measured only 1.5 A running with the fan on “normal” and the auger seemed to draw only another 100 mA or so. I have yet to investigate its long term operation on battery so I don’t know when it will ever draw 12A, but if it ever does my oversize conductors will still supply more than the minimum voltage to the stove.

Its operation is surprisingly quiet, even more so than I had expected. I can’t hear it running unless I’m in the room. Its operation is well thought-out. The thermostat has features to calibrate the displayed temperature if it doesn’t match some other thermometer you like to use. The setback times can be set to a resolution of one minute. The temperature deadband is adjustable in 0.5 deg F increments. The slow fade of the backlight is a really nice touch. A lot of thought went into designing the controls.

The stove itself appears to be very robust. The sheet metal in back looks to be about 14 ga so it’s pretty thick. The finish is very attractive and the internal components seem to be well-engineered. After seeing just how computerized the thing is, the first thing I did was plug it into a surge suppressor. The controls are likely as sensitive as anything digital these days. Hopefully with the surge suppressor it will cope with all the power anomalies I have here.

Oh and the heat it throws! I will not have a problem heating my whole house with it.

Some $4500 spent but at least I have something good to show for it. And if pellets continue to be cheaper than oil in $ per BTU, it’ll pay for itself… eventually…

If you’re considering a pellet or wood stove around Eastern PA I can recommend Hearthstone.

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Posted: 22 April 2008 05:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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sylvestermcmonkey - 18 April 2008 10:40 PM

And if pellets continue to be cheaper than oil in $ per BTU, it’ll pay for itself… eventually…

It won’t take long at almost $4.00 a gallon.

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