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Posted: 24 June 2008 03:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 31 ]
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I think the guy in front of me at the store paid more than 7 bucks for a pack of cigs.

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Posted: 24 June 2008 04:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 32 ]
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velvetfoot - 24 June 2008 03:56 PM

I think the guy in front of me at the store paid more than 7 bucks for a pack of cigs.

Yeah I think it has reached the point where pot is cheaper than tobacco.

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Posted: 24 June 2008 05:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 33 ]
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velvetfoot - 24 June 2008 03:56 PM

I think the guy in front of me at the store paid more than 7 bucks for a pack of cigs.

Yeah I think it has reached the point where pot is cheaper than tobacco.

Kinda like how electric heat is getting cheaper than oil?

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Posted: 24 June 2008 05:52 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 34 ]
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Redox - 24 June 2008 05:40 PM
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velvetfoot - 24 June 2008 03:56 PM

I think the guy in front of me at the store paid more than 7 bucks for a pack of cigs.

Yeah I think it has reached the point where pot is cheaper than tobacco.

Kinda like how electric heat is getting cheaper than oil?

Chris

pertaining to ventilation requirements pertinant to p vs t, eh?

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Posted: 24 June 2008 06:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 35 ]
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Redox - 24 June 2008 05:40 PM
BrotherBart - 24 June 2008 04:48 PM
velvetfoot - 24 June 2008 03:56 PM

I think the guy in front of me at the store paid more than 7 bucks for a pack of cigs.

Yeah I think it has reached the point where pot is cheaper than tobacco.

Kinda like how electric heat is getting cheaper than oil?

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Propane is the one I am watching. 15 years after we built on this place some people bought six acres next to us. Built a house and put in propane in an area where everybody else is all electric and at that time most heated with wood. Well, the new guys were no more than moved in when they started a petition drive to try to get nat. gas in here. Everybody else but us was happy with their heat pumps and I was happy whacking trees. Though I missed whacking them off of the the land they built on. I also knew that the utility right of way runs across my property so I knew where the ditch would be dug for pipe. Soooo… Here we are ten years later and they still have that truck backing up the driveway with the backup alarm ringing. That bill has just got to hurt. Three years ago I asked him how the propane was working out and he said fine but kind of expensive. He ain’t seen nothin yet.

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Posted: 25 June 2008 11:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 36 ]
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Checked with my propane supplier today, summer fill = $2.09 with the winter month lock in at high $2.20’s to low $2.30’s.

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Posted: 25 June 2008 12:00 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 37 ]
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Wow, that is half our local price. Thanks Suburban.

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Posted: 26 June 2008 08:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 38 ]
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I think it’s all in who you know.  I met a guy who married the daughter of one of the local propane distributors and he told me he was paying about $1.75 a year ago.  I haven’t talked to him recently, but he sounded like he was set for life!

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought propane was a byproduct of oil production.  You can’t drill for propane, it has to be separated out after cracking in a refinery.  If this is the case, then the price would HAVE to be manipulated so that the market wouldn’t go crazy.  If the price was lower, then everyone would switch to it and supples would become stressed.

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Posted: 26 June 2008 09:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 39 ]
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Not sure how it is made, but a year ago I was paying $1.46.

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Posted: 26 June 2008 09:57 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 40 ]
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Here are details on propane sources and extraction.

http://www.madehow.com/Volume-3/Propane.html

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Posted: 26 June 2008 11:26 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 41 ]
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I still can’t believe that gas use is down, folks around here drive as if gas was $0.99 a gallon...............

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Posted: 26 June 2008 11:37 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 42 ]
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BrotherBart - 26 June 2008 09:57 AM

Here are details on propane sources and extraction.

http://www.madehow.com/Volume-3/Propane.html

Thanks BroB, never knew and that filled in the knowledge gap.  Interesting read.

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Posted: 26 June 2008 11:55 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 43 ]
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Used to drive 75 MPH and get 20 MPG on the highway. Im setting the cruise for 66-67 MPH now and getting 29 MPG. I actually wouldnt mind seeing the old 55 signs back up as a big screw you to the oil companies.

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Posted: 26 June 2008 12:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 44 ]
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WoodMann - 20 June 2008 11:30 AM

You’d think, bt that’s not a big enough dent. There are still too many people like my sister that won’t put of the trip to the Kalihari in the Wisconsin Dells via the Suburban just so her 2 kids will think she’s cool.............

Tell your sister to check things out in the Dells before she goes. Last I heard there were a number of attractions there that will remain closed for the rest of the year due to flood damage.

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Posted: 26 June 2008 04:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 45 ]
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Used to drive 75 MPH and get 20 MPG on the highway. Im setting the cruise for 66-67 MPH now and getting 29 MPG. I actually wouldnt mind seeing the old 55 signs back up as a big screw you to the oil companies.

Really doesn’t matter on the 55MPH.  I’ve had cars that get their best mileage at 45MPH, and had them that got their best mileage at 80MPH, and everywhere in between.  It’s not just the speed, it’s the speed plus the engine’s characteristics and power output plus the car’s physical shape and weight plus the final gearing and transmission type that determines mileage.  Change any one of these, and the speed for best mileage changes.  The one I had that got its best mileage at 80MPH would return a third less MPG at 50 to 55MPH.

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