Some of the reason for Hearth.com is to attempt to dispel myths - like nuclear pellets, stoves that burn 24 hours on 2 logs, and the notion of “free” heat - even from firewood!
So ........... I guess the word is out and the Pacific Energy is busted .
I guess i will just have to live with the fact of only 22 hour burn times.
So many stoves, so little time. Wish I could burn them all. After burning 7 different stoves over the years, pre EPA and EPA approved, my current stove (Fireview) is the best by far I’ve had. Only thing I don’t like about it is the door handle. Wish it was the spring loaded type.
Just now saw the 2005 post by babalu87 where he said this:
“Anybody that doesn’t have a Morso 3610 is a GD fool
Fools the lot of you
Saving local jobs buying a VC? What kind of clothes are you wearing? Car/truck are you driving? Chainsaw? Power tools? The list goes on and on and on and on ....................... “
Comment: You miss the point: while it seems we are all guilty of buying those foreign made clothes, chainsaws, power tools, etc, at least the VC owner CAN say that his/her stove IS made by an American company........you CAN’T.... so why chastise the VC owner when they DO make a major purchase from an American company while you sit there with your “made in Denmark” Morso stove?
Roospike......most foerign made products ARE sold in America by an American company and delivered by Americans......no other way to get them unless you get them mail order from the country of origin....BUT...the Moros is a product of Denmark....then this same “I own a stove made in Denmark” guy chastises someone for making at least one major purchase from an American company, Vermont Castings.......not only that, the VC’s are made in a foundry here in the USA, made by Americans, sold by Americans and delivered by Americans! A far cry from owning a Morso which is a Danish product.......
Roospike......most foerign made products ARE sold in America by an American company and delivered by Americans......no other way to get them unless you get them mail order from the country of origin....BUT...the Moros is a product of Denmark....then this same “I own a stove made in Denmark” guy chastises someone for making at least one major purchase from an American company, Vermont Castings.......not only that, the VC’s are made in a foundry here in the USA, made by Americans, sold by Americans and delivered by Americans! A far cry from owning a Morso which is a Danish product.......
Roospike......most foerign made products ARE sold in America by an American company and delivered by Americans......no other way to get them unless you get them mail order from the country of origin....BUT...the Moros is a product of Denmark....then this same “I own a stove made in Denmark” guy chastises someone for making at least one major purchase from an American company, Vermont Castings.......not only that, the VC’s are made in a foundry here in the USA, made by Americans, sold by Americans and delivered by Americans! A far cry from owning a Morso which is a Danish product.......
My old Brand Y stove was made by a guy named Fred using recycled steel from old Fords and Chevys in a plant in Virginia. Sold to me by a guy named Jim and delivered by Steve and Mike driving a Dodge pickup truck.
The company is gone. Fred and Jim are dead and it would take fifty Fords these days to get enough steel to build one stove. I think Steve and Mike wrecked the Dodge on the way back to the shop and got fired.
But the stove shop is still there. Selling Harmans and Hearthstones. I stop by there every once in a while, driving one of my Chevy trucks or the Plymouth.
Roospike......most foerign made products ARE sold in America by an American company and delivered by Americans......no other way to get them unless you get them mail order from the country of origin....BUT...the Moros is a product of Denmark....then this same “I own a stove made in Denmark” guy chastises someone for making at least one major purchase from an American company, Vermont Castings.......not only that, the VC’s are made in a foundry here in the USA, made by Americans, sold by Americans and delivered by Americans! A far cry from owning a Morso which is a Danish product.......
My old Brand Y stove was made by a guy named Fred using recycled steel from old Fords and Chevys in a plant in Virginia. Sold to me by a guy named Jim and delivered by Steve and Mike driving a Dodge pickup truck.
The company is gone. Fred and Jim are dead and it would take fifty Fords these days to get enough steel to build one stove. I think Steve and Mike wrecked the Dodge on the way back to the shop and got fired.
But the stove shop is still there. Selling Harmans and Hearthstones. I stop by there every once in a while, driving one of my Chevy trucks or the Plymouth.
LOL .......... Always the crowd pleaser , DonCT ? O’ HE(( Its our ole’ friend brotherbart flying his new flag , I’m used to dieing with laughter and seeing an orange chainsaw .
Boy i need a minute to regroup now .
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it would take fifty Fords these days to get enough steel to build one stove.
Since draft issues seem to be the biggest headache for most people, which brand and/or model is most forgiving in terms of draft. From various posts it seems the Jotul Castine is not so forgiving. How about a Jotul Oslo?
Just now saw the 2005 post by babalu87 where he said this:
“Anybody that doesn’t have a Morso 3610 is a GD fool
Fools the lot of you
Saving local jobs buying a VC? What kind of clothes are you wearing? Car/truck are you driving? Chainsaw? Power tools? The list goes on and on and on and on ....................... “
Comment: You miss the point: while it seems we are all guilty of buying those foreign made clothes, chainsaws, power tools, etc, at least the VC owner CAN say that his/her stove IS made by an American company........you CAN’T.... so why chastise the VC owner when they DO make a major purchase from an American company while you sit there with your “made in Denmark” Morso stove?
Last I heard VC was owned by a Canadian company “Majestic”.
The company that owned vc (cfm, i think) was a publicly traded company on the toronto stock exchange. To protect their investment and improve the business. A Significant stock holder, The ontario teachers pension plan, took the company private..Brought in new senior management and so far what they are doing appears to be on the right track.
Just now saw the 2005 post by babalu87 where he said this:
“Anybody that doesn’t have a Morso 3610 is a GD fool
Fools the lot of you
Saving local jobs buying a VC? What kind of clothes are you wearing? Car/truck are you driving? Chainsaw? Power tools? The list goes on and on and on and on ....................... “
Comment: You miss the point: while it seems we are all guilty of buying those foreign made clothes, chainsaws, power tools, etc, at least the VC owner CAN say that his/her stove IS made by an American company........you CAN’T.... so why chastise the VC owner when they DO make a major purchase from an American company while you sit there with your “made in Denmark” Morso stove?
Because, my Truck was made in the USA
I try to buy USA clothes (harder all the time)
My guns are
AND
I work in an American textile mill
Please, dont take it so literally........... RELAX
When I was trying to decide on a stove around this time last year my decision came down to:
Lopi Answer
Lopi Revere (top choice actually)
Osburn 1800i
Napoleon 1100 insert
Quadrafire (lowest insert in line...can’t remember model)
Hearthstone (Morgan)
Hearthstone (Homestead hearth mount)
Pacific Energy Vista Insert
In retrospect I do at least wish I had looked at the Hearthstones to get a perspective.
In the end I’m totally satisfied with the Osburn, so no regrets.
The point I’m on… I’ll bet that I’d be happy with any of the above stoves.... meaning...there’s a lot of good ones out there, so buy the one that’s available, you like the looks of, and fits your life and install.
I stand corrected! You’re correct about Ontario headquarters and owned by Canadian firm. I guess it’s now like a Toyota: made in America, by Americans and sold by Americans....but not “owned” by Americans. Thanks for the correction!
Its a trick question because “The Best Stove” hasn’t been invented yet (and never will be). Every year technology improves, this is true in most industries. Every year or so there will be new records for efficiency, emissions, burn time, convenience, etc. We’ll probably see woodstoves with hoppers like the pellet stoves, or stoves with electronic controls to maximize efficiency or minimize emissions or maximize draft, etc.
Its a trick question because “The Best Stove” hasn’t been invented yet (and never will be). Every year technology improves, this is true in most industries. Every year or so there will be new records for efficiency, emissions, burn time, convenience, etc. We’ll probably see woodstoves with hoppers like the pellet stoves, or stoves with electronic controls to maximize efficiency or minimize emissions or maximize draft, etc.
It is virtually identical to the mid size avalon, but the convection chamber was C -shaped (side profile), and more of the radiant surface of the stove was exposed. This moved air MUCH better than the current mostly enclosed models....and I mean it moved air without a blower.
It was only discontinued in relatively recent years, although the name had changed.
Yep. Twenty years from now people will be posting on hearth.com about how they can’t believe somebody is still trying to heat with that old antiquated wood stove made out of metal instead of the composite plasma stoves.
