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It’s surge protector reminder time again…..
Posted: 01 September 2010 09:25 PM   [ Ignore ]
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As people start getting their Pellets stacked all nice & cozy, and doing that full stove cleaning that was forgotten about after last winter, there are going to be many new “pellet heads” using their stoves for the first time this winter.

One of the MOST important pieces of equipment that should be purchased is a GOOD surge protector.  With new control boards running $250 and higher, the surge unit is a CHEAP piece of insurance.

Here’s some threads from the past:

http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/52543/

http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/46439/

http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/43337/

http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/41786/


PS The stove should be UNPLUGGED anytime it is not being used (summer).

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Posted: 02 September 2010 07:01 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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imacman - 01 September 2010 09:25 PM

As people start getting their Pellets stacked all nice & cozy, and doing that full stove cleaning that was forgotten about after last winter, there are going to be many new “pellet heads” using their stoves for the first time this winter.

One of the MOST important pieces of equipment that should be purchased is a GOOD surge protector.  With new control boards running $250 and higher, the surge unit is a CHEAP piece of insurance.

Here’s some threads from the past:

http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/52543/

http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/46439/

http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/43337/

http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/41786/


PS The stove should be UNPLUGGED anytime it is not being used (summer).

Good Reminder. I’m sure many people forget such a simple device

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Posted: 02 September 2010 07:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Imacman has it right, PROTECT YOUR INVESTMENT!
I did my annual cleaning last eve. and hooked my baby up with a new APC surge arrestor/protector/ups battery backup.

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Posted: 02 September 2010 08:25 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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WoodPorn - 02 September 2010 07:02 AM

Imacman has it right, PROTECT YOUR INVESTMENT!
I did my annual cleaning last eve. and hooked my baby up with a new APC surge arrestor/protector/ups battery backup.


Which APC did you get?

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Posted: 02 September 2010 09:35 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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thanks pete, good point and right on time…!!

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Posted: 02 September 2010 09:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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pete, this is the one you purchased this year, right?

http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-TRAVELCUBE-1-Outlet-Protector/dp/B00009K79U

I need to get a couple myself.

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Posted: 02 September 2010 09:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I also wonder if it may be wise to instead get a UPS for around $45 at Costco (bulky though and too many not needed outlets), I assume the stove will stay running giving you time to shut it down, can someone confirm if a UPS keps stove running for a small period of time?

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Posted: 02 September 2010 09:54 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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WoodPorn - 02 September 2010 07:02 AM

Imacman has it right, PROTECT YOUR INVESTMENT!
I did my annual cleaning last eve. and hooked my baby up with a new APC surge arrestor/protector/ups battery backup.


Which APC did you get?

ES 750

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Posted: 02 September 2010 09:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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geek - 02 September 2010 09:44 AM

I also wonder if it may be wise to instead get a UPS for around $45 at Costco (bulky though and too many not needed outlets), I assume the stove will stay running giving you time to shut it down, can someone confirm if a UPS keps stove running for a small period of time?

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Yes it will, but it must be sized accordingly

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Posted: 02 September 2010 09:59 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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geek - 02 September 2010 09:44 AM

I also wonder if it may be wise to instead get a UPS for around $45 at Costco (bulky though and too many not needed outlets), I assume the stove will stay running giving you time to shut it down, can someone confirm if a UPS keps stove running for a small period of time?

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Yes it will, but it must be sized accordingly

only need one for the stove, that’s it

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Posted: 02 September 2010 10:06 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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geek - 02 September 2010 09:44 AM

I also wonder if it may be wise to instead get a UPS for around $45 at Costco (bulky though and too many not needed outlets), I assume the stove will stay running giving you time to shut it down, can someone confirm if a UPS keps stove running for a small period of time?

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Yes it will, but it must be sized accordingly

only need one for the stove, that’s it

I mean you need to size it accordingly for your stove (wattage and desired runtime)

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Posted: 02 September 2010 11:04 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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I have a Monster SW200 hanging around collecting dust. I’ll use that. Rated at 1100 joules.

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Posted: 02 September 2010 01:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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geek - 02 September 2010 09:44 AM

I also wonder if it may be wise to instead get a UPS for around $45 at Costco (bulky though and too many not needed outlets), I assume the stove will stay running giving you time to shut it down, can someone confirm if a UPS keps stove running for a small period of time?

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Yes it will, but it must be sized accordingly

only need one for the stove, that’s it

I mean you need to size it accordingly for your stove (wattage and desired runtime)

oh, correct.

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Posted: 02 September 2010 01:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Then again, this will cause me to sell less control boards…

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I should probably buy one this year… with my luck the surge protector will short out and fry my stove anyway!

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geek - 02 September 2010 09:44 AM

I also wonder if it may be wise to instead get a UPS for around $45 at Costco (bulky though and too many not needed outlets), I assume the stove will stay running giving you time to shut it down, can someone confirm if a UPS keps stove running for a small period of time?

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The whole thing about this line of thought is, for me,
  When do you lose your power? If you’re like me, it’s either the middle of the night, or while I’m at work. If you’re sleeping, are you gonna wake up because the lights went out? If not, your UPS is gonna run down before you get up in the morning, so you still don’t get the orderly, controlled shutdown. If you’re at work, same scenario. Mine will continue to burn thru the “flicker on flicker off” stage, if yours won’t UPS might help, BUT, will the electronics stand up to the potentially “dirty” power from the UPS?

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krooser - 02 September 2010 03:59 PM

I should probably buy one this year… with my luck the surge protector will short out and fry my stove anyway!

Better than no luck at all tongue wink

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Posted: 02 September 2010 07:46 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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geek - 02 September 2010 09:42 AM

pete, this is the one you purchased this year, right?

http://www.amazon.com/Tripp-Lite-TRAVELCUBE-1-Outlet-Protector/dp/B00009K79U

I need to get a couple myself.

Yep, thats the one.

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Posted: 03 September 2010 12:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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I have an APC 750.  it’s good for about 20 min. 

I wish my stove had a usb port, so it could auto shut down after 5 min of running with no power so all the smoke/etc finish burning and the stove has at least a little bit of a chance to cool down.  :D
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Posted: 03 September 2010 06:24 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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That will be the next step for the stove makers. Adding in an interface to the UPS units for auto shutdown. I am surprised they haven’t added them already.

I wonder if we could hack the output of the UPS and connect it to the thermostat circuit on the stove? Never looked into how the USP signaled the PC.

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Posted: 03 September 2010 03:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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it’s mostly software.  the usb connection is probably very basic.  But, there’s the “power chute” app from apc that controls the actual shut down of the pc/etc.

so, perhaps you’re on to something with the thermostat.  It would be very easy for them to make a firmware to support a shutdown request.


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Posted: 03 September 2010 03:33 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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Inside the UPS there has to be something that is energized or denergized when power is cut. I am thinking an external relay to control the stat. Basically a contact that closes when power is lost. Series with stat wont’ work, But parallel may.

Worth looking into?

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Posted: 03 September 2010 03:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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It’s likely some sort of voltage regulator.  When it drops below 103 volts or something, it triggers the warning sound and sends the signal to the software to start the countdown if no human is around to shut it/stop is manually.
I’m no electro engineer, so i won’t be attempting anything like this.  My hair is spikey enough naturally :D

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