Hello all
I have the pelletmaster pm3000 titan also, and I just found out that it requires a min. of a 8’ vertical rise to eliminate smoke in the house and hopper etc; so I want to move my stove to my living room which will require i go thru the ceiling and out the roof..I have a plaster ceiling. has anyone here done this application? Is it easy or hard and what will I need and what should I expect.?

The pm3000 is a top vent that takes a 2’ rise and a 2’ vertical run. Mine says that right on the hopper door lable.
I vent mine directly thur the wall using the 2’ rise and 2’ vertical run, I do not get smoke in the house .
The only smoke this stove makes is in the first few minutes while it is getting hot.

Are you trying to run the stove with the doors open?

No I dont run it with door or hopper open..here is a quote from a place that has pelletmaster parts

“Pellet master stoves MUST have a minimum of 8 feet of Vertical Flue for proper draft. No more than 2 feet horizontal run. If you do not have the Min flue your stove WILL smoke from the hopper and door and you will smell smoke in the house.”

Q:You dont get any smoke in the hopper bay or smoke and smell in the house with your setup?

I would love to not have to go thru my ceiling and roof and only go out the wall.
I just went and read my hopper door and it does say a 2’ rise min. Please allow me to pick ur brain,

Q: WHAT ABOUT WALL PROTECTION, Is it needed?

Q: And it also says on the hopper door a 3 clearance to adjacent walls..is that correct or do they
mean 3 feet?

So then why does my hopper fill with smoke then?

here is a link to that FAQ page the quote came from

http://www.hearthtools.com/pellet/service_tips_and_trouble_shootin.htm

Thanks...awaiting a reply

Im still waitin for replies for ideas and education on this model pellet stove.

I wish all a Happy New Year!

Matt

mtalea - 29 December 2005 01:20 PM

No I dont run it with door or hopper open..here is a quote from a place that has pelletmaster parts

“Pellet master stoves MUST have a minimum of 8 feet of Vertical Flue for proper draft. No more than 2 feet horizontal run. If you do not have the Min flue your stove WILL smoke from the hopper and door and you will smell smoke in the house.”

Q:You dont get any smoke in the hopper bay or smoke and smell in the house with your setup?

I would love to not have to go thru my ceiling and roof and only go out the wall.
I just went and read my hopper door and it does say a 2’ rise min. Please allow me to pick ur brain,

Q: WHAT ABOUT WALL PROTECTION, Is it needed?



A.  I ran mine thur a window and used a piece on wonder board with a 4” hole.


Q: And it also says on the hopper door a 3 clearance to adjacent walls..is that correct or do they
mean 3 feet?

A.  Mine is 3 feet for access but it says 3”




So then why does my hopper fill with smoke then?


A.  I bet the top of your stove is full of ash and you need to clean it out with a vacum cleaner that has attachments that will reach in the nooks and cranies.
clean your burn pot slots as well. Once you do this your stove should work just fine if your gaskets are in good shape.


here is a link to that FAQ page the quote came from

http://www.hearthtools.com/pellet/service_tips_and_trouble_shootin.htm


A.  they used a different model with a rear vent for their info.


Thanks...awaiting a reply

Sorry for the delay,
I missed this post over the New Year week end

First of All hello all of you Pellet master people
my name is Rod. I am the owner of the site you keep talking about. hearthtools.com.

We sold pelletmaster for many years as a dealer and California distributor to other dealers and still servicing over 150 units every year.
I have a lot of hand on experience with many kinds of PM installations.
We try to stock most part for this stove for I still think it is one of the best for its time.

I want to say sorry to some of you that are waiting for manuals
Our Master copies got messed up and I am trying to find some fresh ones to make copies to send out to you all.
You get a Trouble shooting guide with the manual when we send the manuals out.

Let me try to answer some of your questions about pelletmaster

Coal:
You need to make sure you stove has the coal burn pot kit. this stove has a burn pot that is deeper and has more air holes.
The bad news is that this kit is no longer available.

Smoke in Hopper:
Most of the time it is because the flue is Full of ash and you need to be sure you clean that horizontal pipe from the front of the stove above the bricks all the way back to the T cleanout.
but other causes are.
Screen on cap? if there is one REMOVE IT

Not enough draft. Every PM I have every seen that had less than 5 feet of vertical pipe smoked out of the hopper and you want to make sure your horizontal pipe has some kind of rise.

Hopper lid seal bad
Ash Drawer seal bad
Door gasket bad.
Low combustion air from a intake screen plugged up with dust bunnies or dog hair.
Weak combustion fan ( not turning full RPMs)

Unburned pellets:
same as above but if you go more that 6 tons with out splitting the burn pot and cleaning the hollow space out the stove will not get enough air into the burn pot
some how Fine ash gets trapped in there.
ONLY CLEAN THE AIR SLITS OUT ON THE INSIDE EDGE OF THE BURN POT. The outer edge is sealed with Stove cement to direct the air inward and not outward to the clinker ring.

Tip TRICK.
If you are burning HIGH ash fuel you can Drill out a FEW (4 or so) small holes 1/16” into some of air slits and the bottom of them to allow more air flow in the burn pot.
the down side of this is you will need to split the burn pot more often to clean out the ash that gets into the hollow part.

Hope this helps.
I will try to stop back by this site some but this year has been a busy year in the store and website sales have tripled thin add a 14 month old baby to the mix so I don’t have much time to screw around on the net.

Rod thanks for the info. I agree with you mostly.
I have the pm3000 titan and it has a 2’ vert rise and a 2’ horz run and it does not smoke.
John

zogboy - 07 January 2006 04:44 AM

Rod thanks for the info. I agree with you mostly.
I have the pm3000 titan and it has a 2’ vert rise and a 2’ horz run and it does not smoke.
John

you are one of the lucky ones.

what about the smoke in the stove when you shut it off.
does it take forever to get out of the stove?

that is another reason for the rise in pipe to help draft the smoke out of the stove when you shut it off.

For others that dont know how pellet master or some other bottom feeders work.

on the Pelletmaster and Martin Ventury pellet stove, when you shut it off the auger and Combustion fun is shut off.
This is a problem because the pellets in the burn pot smolder for hours. If you do not have good draft the smoke may come back into the house through the combustion blower if you do not have outside air. Or it could back into the hopper, ash drawer or door if you do not have good seals.

Unlike other TOP fed pellet stoves that shut off the feed and keep the combustion blower on to burn out all the pellets out of the burn pot then shut off.

hearthtools - 07 January 2006 11:02 AM

zogboy - 07 January 2006 04:44 AM

Rod thanks for the info. I agree with you mostly.
I have the pm3000 titan and it has a 2’ vert rise and a 2’ horz run and it does not smoke.
John

you are one of the lucky ones.

what about the smoke in the stove when you shut it off.
does it take forever to get out of the stove?

that is another reason for the rise in pipe to help draft the smoke out of the stove when you shut it off.

For others that dont know how pellet master or some other bottom feeders work.

on the Pelletmaster and Martin Ventury pellet stove, when you shut it off the auger and Combustion fun is shut off.
This is a problem because the pellets in the burn pot smolder for hours. If you do not have good draft the smoke may come back into the house through the combustion blower if you do not have outside air. Or it could back into the hopper, ash drawer or door if you do not have good seals.

Unlike other TOP fed pellet stoves that shut off the feed and keep the combustion blower on to burn out all the pellets out of the burn pot then shut off.

I have good seals on my stove, however I burn coal and only shut the stove off every 2 weeks to clean out the air ways.  I only turn it off briefly to empty the ash pan twice a day.
As you know coal will not burn very long without a draft.
I have c/o monitors near the stove and they do not detect any fumes and I do not smell smoke.
I have cleaned the burn pot top but after the first time it seems to keep fairly clean, I think you could tell by the flames if the pot needs to have the ash removed.
As for the extra holes you spoke of in the burn pot, mine has slits and 2 holes drilled between each set of slits. The first time I cleaned those out there was a drastic difference.
I believe the advise to keep your stove sealed and clean is the best advise anyone can give when it comes to self feeding direct vent stoves.
I also have my exhaust pointing away from the prevailing winds. That way I don’t get a lot of blow back.
John

Hearthtools I know you said you do not have burn pots for the pm stove . Do you have a top half with the slots and 3 bolt holes? for the burn pot?
Mine is a little wraped from over heating I guess. It was like that when I got it, also I had to replace the auger motor . The ash from pellets had turned to near rock and caused the auger to bind up at some point.

What is your thoughts on turning the clinker ring over and letting the auger push the ash out of the pot?

I am out of the top of the pot but a dealer friend that has some is sending me a few.
You can order it on the website.

NO dont turn the clinker ring over!

Like I have said in other post.
With Average pellets you can burn a pelletmaster for about 15 -20 bags before you need to CHIP OUT THE BURN POT and clean the ash. Coal will be more often.

see my help page on the website.

hearthtools - 07 January 2006 01:08 PM

I am out of the top of the pot but a dealer friend that has some is sending me a few.
You can order it on the website.

NO dont turn the clinker ring over!

Like I have said in other post.
With Average pellets you can burn a pelletmaster for about 15 -20 bags before you need to CHIP OUT THE BURN POT and clean the ash. Coal will be more often.

see my help page on the website.

Thanks
Please look for my order I will send it today.
I have sent you an email a few weeks ago asking this same question. Maybe your I. T. guys mis-read my request.
John

zogboy - 07 January 2006 01:36 PM

hearthtools - 07 January 2006 01:08 PM

I am out of the top of the pot but a dealer friend that has some is sending me a few.
You can order it on the website.

NO dont turn the clinker ring over!

Like I have said in other post.
With Average pellets you can burn a pelletmaster for about 15 -20 bags before you need to CHIP OUT THE BURN POT and clean the ash. Coal will be more often.

see my help page on the website.

Thanks
Please look for my order I will send it today.
I have sent you an email a few weeks ago asking this same question. Maybe your I. T. guys mis-read my request.
John

I was wrong it is not on the website
We took if off when we ran out.

I will add it this weekend
PRODUCT: Pelletmaster Burn ring with air slits—$70.00

. But I will not get them for about 10 days

Fantasktic Rod!
I will look for the item.
John