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Building a Block Off Plate
Posted: 11 October 2007 04:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 16 ]
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Yeah, in theory aluminum would soften and melt at certain pipe temps, but in reality there is not enough pipe surface touching the side of the stove pipe to ever make this happen. It is more expensive, though - so we never used it.

Cement board is not actually tested for use with stove pipes running though it, and as others here have reported, it contains everything from wood to poly foam pieces. I would not use it unless I had to.

There is really only a need for alternative materials when the preferred one cannot be attained…....on this board, we sometimes discuss everything to death…..it’s easy to see how committees and government rarely get anything done, but one person with some tools…now there is productivity!

We didn’t even discuss liners, etc…...but if the stove is being installed with a full liner, than the removal and reinstall of the plate is not going to be needed…..that was one advantage of the sheet metal - relatively easy removal and replacement.

If a person was going to insulate on top, even a small amount (1 inch) or fiberglass (no paper or foil) or koawool, rock wood, micore, etc. would do the job. Whether this does much depends on the stove and how close it is to the plate. In my fireplace at home, I was always able to touch the plate when the stove was running - evidence that not much heat was headed in that direction.

Elk has a good idea with that fireplace wall insulation - we should develop and package a new product - something that you can cut with a utility knife, does not throw fibers out, and simply glues or otherwise fastens on the rear and sides of exterior fireplaces (the interior walls of them).

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Posted: 11 October 2007 07:36 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 17 ]
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Get that stove paint and tile ready bro, we’ll have her goin’ this weekend!

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Posted: 11 October 2007 08:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 18 ]
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Hells yeah, brother!  I’m looking at my new hearth tile as we speak….er, post.

Damn, I gotta get my wood stacked!

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Posted: 12 October 2007 06:49 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 19 ]
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Thanks for the advice, I’ll skip the cement board.  We have some steel around from all the heating and air conditioning going into the building so I’ll grab some scrap from that.

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Posted: 14 October 2007 04:25 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 20 ]
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I insulated my fireplace wall in the back as Elk mentioned.  I figured it couldn’t hurt since my chimney is on an exterior wall.  I installed mineral wool and covered it with sheet metal and painted it black, which I imagines negates reflectivity of the sheet metal.  It makes it look better though, and protects the mineral wool just fine… 

For my block off plate I found using one piece to cover the entire area easier than using two pieces. The problem, however, is getting the hole lined up right.  Because of this, I cut the hole large enough so that I wouldn’t have any trouble getting the liner through the hole.  Next,  I used a smaller piece of sheet metal with a hole cut to almost exactly the diameter of the liner, and fastened this piece to the main block off plate.  I put some caulking in between the main plate and the smaller piece, and then used sheet metal screws to hold it in place.  This made installing the whole thing pretty easy.  I’ll attach some pictures below. 

elkimmeg - 11 October 2007 03:39 PM

We had s discussion in the past about lining the fire box sides with insulation to prevent heat loss to the outside.

 

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Posted: 14 October 2007 04:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 21 ]
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These pics show the block off plate before being fastened…

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Posted: 14 October 2007 04:28 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 22 ]
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and after…

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Posted: 14 October 2007 04:30 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 23 ]
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and these show insulating the back wall and covering with sheet metal…

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Posted: 14 October 2007 10:34 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 24 ]
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When I made my block-off plate I got the metal cheep at RE-Store ( Habit for Humanity re-store), a air duct I could cut up. I used extra foil faced flue liner insulation on the the back of the plate. I over lapped the edges of the plate and foil taped the liner to the stove side of the plate.  The foil and insulation made a air tight seal. A little hi heat silicone away from the liner finisher the job.

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