Englander 30 Overfire?

[SmokeyCity]

Very interesting! This explains why my 30 works relatively well connected to a 12x12 chimney. Although the chimney is way too big its also about 25Ft tall.

and mine works great with a 40+ ft chimney with a 10x10 square flue :=) (once it's warmed up that is)

 

[BrotherBart]

Thanks BB. Can I get your opinion on what I plan to do for break in?

Going to set the stove outside on the patio with a 6 ft piece of stove pipe connected (someone else's reco)

Plan to burn 2-3 fires of 4-5 poplar kindling pieces, letting the fire burn down to mostly ash

Run 1 fire with 2-3 smaller cherry splits and after it coals up, run a fire with ash/oak and try to maintain stove top temperatures from there.

I plan to do this over 3-4 hours on Saturday. We are looking at 50 degress as a high then. Thinking I should try and maintain a 500 stove top on the last fire and then when it settles down run some poplar to spike it into the 650 range. Not having used any stove of this nature before, I am expecting to miss some of the benchmarks, but they are targets all the same. Main object is to cure the paint so the stink stays outside and keeps the lady of the house happy.

You will have to keep the door cracked because draft will be crap. Just kick it as hard as it will go. You ain't gonna hurt it. This isn't some piece of Brazilian rock or recycled cast iron.

American steel. Fire that sucker.

 

[mywaynow]

You sayin' just start the first fire and get'r to 650?

 

[greythorn3]

had my stove pupe glowing red, noticed it when i shut the light off, inside the double wall stove pipe slots i could see red where it was a right after a 45 deg turn.. wonder if the stainless double wall is thinner, cause i aint never seen the single wall pipe glow, not even in the dark, a and the stove pipe temp gauge only read 550f but it was a foot or 2 higher then the glowing part.


heres some stuff i found online on glowing colors for stianless

C___F_______Color
400 752 Red heat, visible in the dark
474 885 Red heat, visible in the twilight
525 975 Red heat, visible in the daylight
581 1077 Red heat, visible in the sunlight
700 1292 Dark red
800 1472 Dull cherry-red
900 1652 Cherry-red
1000 1832 Bright cherry-red
1100 2012 Orange-red “{*}

 

[GAMMA RAY]

You sayin' just start the first fire and get'r to 650?

I did not baby my 30 when I broke it in...

 

[BrotherBart]

You sayin' just start the first fire and get'r to 650?

You will probably be doing good to get to 500 or so outside with a short pipe.

 

[Agent]

You sayin' just start the first fire and get'r to 650?

I did not baby my 30 when I broke it in...

Ditto - I went from full fire in old stove to full fire in Englander in about 8 hours. It's only stopped a handful of times since then - and only because it's too darn hot outside!

 

[Seasoned Oak]

You sayin' just start the first fire and get'r to 650?

You will probably be doing good to get to 500 or so outside with a short pipe.

Exactly ! Draft directly affects stove temps. Warm day, cool chimney(weak draft) i struggle to get to 500 .Cold day, hot chimney(strong draft) it goes right to 700 and above.

 

[jcims]

OK, here is the deal. That stove was designed for a 15 foot straight pipe. Take a piece of material of your choice, magnet, aluminum tape, whatever and block one half of that secondary burn inlet hole just behind the primary air intake and in front of the heat shield. And make a stove like they designed it to be. Block it in the middle so air can go in both sides of it. And toss that creosote collecting key damper on the scrap heap.

No more blast to the moon overfires.

http://www.gulland.ca/florida_bungalow_syndrome.htm

I know this thread is old as the hills, but I just wanted to thank you BrotherBart for this suggestion. I've got ~30' of pipe that works like a hoover when the NC30 is running hot. I was trying to think of a way to put a control on that inlet, it never occurred to me to just cover part of it permanently. Will be giving this a try today...

 

[tjcole50]

Is this something that should be done before putting this hog 1/2 way into my fireplace? I'm running over 25 ft 6" liner. Secondary is the giant hole at the back bottom of the stove right?

 

[BrotherBart]

Don't fix a problem you don't have. Burn in the stove like it comes off the pallet and then adjust if needed later.

 

[jcims]

Don't fix a problem you don't have. Burn in the stove like it comes off the pallet and then adjust if needed later.

I'd have to agree with this 100%. I actually came back to say thanks again...it's amazing how much different the personality of the stove is with that little chunk o' tape on there. I centered the strip with about 50% coverage and it has been like a sedative for my previously hyperactive incinerator. Right from the get go, the stove takes a little more to get started, temps ramp more slowly, stay a bit lower, don't move around as much, etc. It's been fantastic.(!)

That said, i could see how this could easily calm the stove too much...so I'd have to say it's much better to really get to know your stove first and then start making (small, incremental) changes. Even if you have to get the hog back out of the fireplace to do it.