Englander EP 25 OverFeed Problem

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weaverjohn

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Came here seeking advice.
I purchased a used EP-25 manufactured 9/2009. Installed it. I'm in a high altitude area, so I vented it through the wall with 4" pipe (just ove 5000 feet). Have the outside air kit. Have a 45 inside to 90 outside with a cleanout. I have cleaned the inside of the stove. (Beat the back wall with a sledge hammer as directed), Replaced the door and the ash pan (thought they might not be fitting tightly), Replaced the gasket on the combustion blower. Replaced the gasket on the hopper lid. Had tech support at Englander walk me through the reset on the board to factory setting. The fire is not what I would call lazy (I don't get soot all over the glass until shutdown), the flames are reaching the top of the firebox. This is a new installation, but I did recheck every stick of pipe in or out for some sort of blockage and found none.

The darn thing overfeeds in 30 minutes on feed rate 1. I have tried two different types of pellets. I'm at a loss as to what to do.
Anyone have a similar issue and get it resolved? If so How?

I saw a couple of ideas on here and thought I might see what others thought.
I saw somthing about using some steel wool to block some holes in the burn pot. Has this worked for anyone? Is there a danger here?
I read someone saying that they were going to add a rheostat to the feed rate to turn it down - but they didn't follow up so I dont' know how it turned out.

I really need to have it run longer and to kick out more heat. I'm in the dog house with the wife ( you can hear it right - you bought the ### thing, and can't make it work - I should have let my dad take care of it. You bought what for it now? Replace one more part and we could have had two new stoves that actally work. etc.)

So any assistance would be highly valuable.

Thanks

JW
 
I dont know much about that brand of stove, but If tyhe flames are to the top of the box on level 1 you probably are starving for air. Somebody on here should be able to give you the timing on the auger (so many seconds on then so many seconds off) for level 1 to figure out if it feeding to fast or not enough air due to a blockage ect.
 
It still does sound like you have an air leakage issue. Have you checked around the ash door and main door openings for evidence of leaks? A leaking gasket will leave soot trails that show where the air was moving. What you are seeing is definitely not normal. On HR 1, the flames should barely be above the top of the firepot. Find the leaks or give Mike Holton over in Customer Support a call. He'll take care of ya!

-The guy who designed your stove
 
SmokingAndPoking said:
It still does sound like you have an air leakage issue. Have you checked around the ash door and main door openings for evidence of leaks? A leaking gasket will leave soot trails that show where the air was moving. What you are seeing is definitely not normal. On HR 1, the flames should barely be above the top of the firepot. Find the leaks or give Mike Holton over in Customer Support a call. He'll take care of ya!

-The guy who designed your stove

X2....best customer service in the industry....they will get you taken care of....or Mike might see this post and let you know what to do.......
 
Can you post a picture of the burn pot so we can see if there is daylight between the liner and the rim along with any missing or unfiled welds that might cause the pot to rock in its receptacle. I'm looking for burn pot air bypasses.

Do the dollar bill test at two separated locations on each side of the door and report back the results.

The ash pan openings on the front of the unit also need to be tight.

ETA: Time for new batteries in the keyboard and a new mouse.
 
[quote author="SmokeyTheBear" date="1325012451"]Can you post a picture of the burn pot so we can see if there is daylight between the liner and the rim along with any missing or unfiled welds that might cause the pot to rock in its receptacle. I'm looking for burn pot air bypasses.

Do the dollar bill test at two separated locations on each side of the door and report back the results.

The ash pan openings on the front of the unit also need to be tight.

Smokey - I put tape around the ash pan opening. The new pan still doesn't seem to fit just right. The burn pot definately rocks in the cradle. seems to be raised in the middle a bit. I'll take a look at that. Did the dollar bill unde the hooper lid and it was tight all around. I'll recheck the door - it is brand new so I thought that issue was taken care of.
 
Well - it pays to ask guys who know. I just bought a new door from Englander and put it in. Didn't think to check it. You can see daylight between the left side and the bottom. The ash pan isn't as tight as I'd like it. How tight does it have to be? Can you double the gaskets and get reasonable results? Attached is a picture of the light from a flashlight coming in in to the firebox on the left side of he door. I'll Work with Englander on that. The burn Pot does rock in the cradle so I'll see if I can file one or the other flat and get a good seal there.

Thanks for the assist Everyone. When I have the door taken care of I'll let you know the results.

JW
 

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JW,

The door mount likely has some adjustment in and with a bit of alignment will likely close properly, you need it evenly closing on the gaskets so you have resistance to pulling the "dollar bill" out.

You never trust looks for determining if a gasket seal is good, you always test.

The ash pan it depends upon how well it was machined and the shape of the latch (I looked at a few of these units at the local big boxes and saw different things on each unit that could present problems.)

When you get the door issue taken care of please post pictures of the burn pot etc... so we can see what is what.

You might also wish to do a search on here for leaf blower trick.
 
GrahamInVa said:
The door on the EP does not have any adjustments.

If you over tighten the door latch it will make the left side of the door pull away a little. Might want to check that.

If you can tighten or loosen anything dealing with a door you by default have an adjustment.
 
SmokeyTheBear said:
GrahamInVa said:
The door on the EP does not have any adjustments.

If you over tighten the door latch it will make the left side of the door pull away a little. Might want to check that.

If you can tighten or loosen anything dealing with a door you by default have an adjustment.

I guess that is true. Well the hinges don't have any adjustments..
 
I have been thinking of ways to correct the seal around the ash pan and the door:

I though about finding some metal tape (if there is such a thing) and use that to under the ash pan and left side of the door. Should allow for a better seal.
I also though about having my father-in-law weld a bead around both areas to get a better seal.
Lastly, I though about a secondary gasket, but I don't know if a gasket to gasket will seal. I have some extra gasket material from the hopper lid that I could use around the door and I coudl probably use the gasket off the old ash pan - if the gasket to gasket seal would work.

Anyone have any thoughts on this one?

Thanks,

JW
 
smwilliamson said:
its not an over feed its an under air problem

X2, Sometimes I find the correct damper setting that I set at night is too small for the morning if the outside temp climbs way up!! Then there are too many unburned pellets. So try opening up that air intake damper more!
 
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