Flue Cube

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Huntindog1

Minister of Fire
Dec 6, 2011
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South Central Indiana
Looks like an oversized cat that goes on top of the chimney instead on on the stove pipe. Got me but this makes me discredit it.

"The newer certified clean air wood burners report to have difficulty in lighting, let smoke out into the room when loading or lighting, take longer to get to their optimum heating capacity and still chunder out smoke into the atmosphere? "
 
Sounds like a sick office worker's containment zone.
 
Notice in the videos when the smoke has disappeared, the fire in the firebox is brighter. Snake oil it is.
 
Lol, who would actually buy one of those things what load of crap.
 
http://fluecube.wordpress.com/2011/...-health-without-any-strings-attached/#more-10

I would put quotes in here from the article but this guy seems like the type that would go after you for "stealing" his idea and posting it.

Interesting read, I do not see how it can combust excess gasses like a secondary air or catalytic system would at the chimney cap, by the time it got to the cap it would be to cool.

But like I said, I think it would help in windy conditions to keep the last few feet of liner warmer, therefore reducing creosote buildup, as we all know that is the exact spot where it likes to form, if this keeps that last few feet warmer than it would be a benefit but I do not see it being the cure all device the inventor claims it is.
 
I am familiar with the FlueCube cowl and with its inventor. Do note that it has only existed for 4 years and the simplistic design, the aerodynamic and thermodynamic physics aren't common knowledge. It isn't unusual with physical experimentation to discover things you wouldn't normally by academic research alone. People who have learned more academically rarely discover anything new. All he knew was the neighbour and many others were not experiencing a lot of good from their enforced new appliance alone and so set to work playing with the physics in is head.

It is one of the most fascinating inventions I've come across, athough sorry I don't have the language to explain what makes it work - exactly. It does, however do what you see on the youtube video, it does give greater control of the appliance by removing the negative issues that come via the flue and with keeping optimum flue conditions consistent.

Your EPA and HPBA have worked together for certifying an appliance within the ideal conditions of a laboratory, but now many of these EPA certified low emitting fires are out there, have the air quality lobbyists got off our backs? No. It's something making a pretty good effort to please everyone.
 
Welcome envirosphere and thanks for the observation. What is confusing me is that the videos show a modern stove with secondary combustion 'miraculously' cleaning up. But this is what we see all the time with our stove with a normal flue cap. That is, there is some smoke at ignition until secondary combustion kicks in. Then suddenly, no smoke as secondary combustion engages. I would be much more interested to see a video of this device on an older stove without secondary combustion creating the same smokelessness.
 
Folks who fall for these type things are the very same people who try to burn wood before the wood is dry enough to burn. They will blame almost everything on the stove, the chimney or the operator, but never the wood.
 
They had something like that many years ago the would fit in the flue pipe close to the stove. I saw in a magazine They really don't work.
 
It is playing on peoples thinking that an EPA stove is a violation of your rights and they don't even work and if you install this gadget you are sticking it to the man and creating a stove that works.
 
BeGreen: Thank you for your courtesy. That double burner Fisher fire model isn't in fact approved in the Nelson and Christchurch areas where the authorities have been most active with our change-out scheme. Incidently along with that scheme they introduced a whole range of certified fires that then had to be removed because they only worked in the lab. You can probably pick up from the rhetoric on the website that some are not very impressed with the whole thing. Before the FlueCube was installed on that chimney it smoked constantly and the air damper had to be wide open most of the time. It was made before 1990, not certified and so obviously unfit. Neville proved it was just fine.

Rwhite: I think you do overreact just a little but you think that the EPA isn't playing with peoples minds - that organisations like RAWSEP arn't promoting health, but rather "Natural Gas as an alternative"? The environmental movement is weakened by those who fund its overeager lobbyists, and those who do fund it's cause want people off self sufficiency, connected to smart grids and improving US energy policy and global green market investments. That is just my opinion of course. Thank goodness there is a lot going for wood heating!

Master of Fire: Thank you for your interest. Yes, in time and with the right minded people involved. It's just UK, Australia and NZ at this time. Soon.

Fire God: Proper seasoned hard wood is still of major importance. As long as the appliance has the guts to burn it, over that creosote filled pine rubbish that is so unfortunately common. Just need clever businessmen to plant the right kinds of fast growing hardwood varieties.

Fake coal burner: No. It's nothing like that. That would make it something more like a catalytist. If it were able to work there then Condar's adapted dilution tunnel test would actually be able to detect the lower emissions it achieves (visually at least). Anyway your comment sounds odd - you saw it in a magazine and came to the conclusion it didn't work. Great research technique, along with the great spelling etc.
 
Hang in there. Double burn stoves usually burn cleaner as soon as they warm up, but you know better about how that particular stove previously burned. Most good secondary stoves burning dry wood here do not smoke at all once warmed up and run correctly. It sounds like your authorities want NZ stoves to burn more like our EPA phase 2 stoves.

It would help if you could get this into a lab and produce some actual emissions data and good documentation on the test parameters, equipment, before and after results, and a control test, etc.. That would be much more convincing than the video and it would help broaden the market.
 
Well if it works great, less pollution for those old smoke dragons. Doesn't look like it will increase efficiency of an old stove and produce more heat like a good EPA stove can. I'd like to see one on top of a smokey OWB.
 
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