Progress Hybrid Installed 12/21 replacing Fireview

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rideau

Minister of Fire
Jan 12, 2012
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southern ontario
3600 sq ft home, zone 5, 1100sq feet windows. Fireview couldn't heat it. Progress does. On a woodlot 75 feet above, 200 feet back from a miles long lake on the south shore facing NNW.
Most remarkable points about the stove: Combustion complete. 8 full days burning, not enough ash yet to have to remove any. (No lip, no ashpan). Produces significantly more heat from same amount of wood versus Fireview. Easier to start than fireview. Requires less monitoring than Fireview. HOME IS WARM> Hearth is cooler. Clearances and top venting allows stove to be set further back on pad (fireview pad) leaving 12+ inches in front of window and wood floor in front of hearth is MUCH cooler than with fireview. Temperature remains at a steady reasonable level for far longer than fireview.
My problem: Top venting on Progress removes a 90 degree bend, and my previously excellent draft has become an exceptional draft.
I'm going to fiddle with some woodstock suggestions, but may need to install a section of excel pipe with a damper embedded. I burn maple (well seasoned 12 inch splits from big tree), beech and ironwood (logs to 10 inch, well seasoned, unsplit). Have filled firebox usually 1/3 full up to 1/2 full. Fire starts almost immediately, stovetop temperature on starting from cold is 250 degrees within 10-15 minutes. Secondaries start at this point, I engage cat and close damper to zero. Stove burns gases for a long time, then settles down to a slower burn. Stovetop temperature does not exceed 420 degrees, is usually about 375. Maintains this temperture for about 6-7 hours. Then gradually cools as wood to coals to ashes. When only ash remaining, stove temp is still 250. Room temp usually goes from 72 to 68. Stove relights immedately--as soon as door is closed--with a new load of wood. Christmas Day cooked my turkey on top of the stove...put two soapstone slabs the size of a fireview top slab on either side of the Progress top, leaving a few inches in the center uncovered with a thermometer on the uncovered slab. Put my old Fireview thermometer on the "fireview" slab. Put my 25 pound turkey in a heavy magnalite covered roasting pan, put it on the stove , built an ironwood fire, and left it. It cooked perfectly in seven hours...the best turkey I ever had. Thoroughly cooked but moist and tender. Temp on slab remained at 420, on fireview slab immediately under pan at 350, for the entire 7 hour cooking time.
I have not completely filled the firebox, because (a) I haven't needed the heat and (b) I'm burning with the damper completely closed and am a bit concerned about building a bigger fire, since I have no way of damping a fire if it gets too hot. With this stove at 400 and the same amount of wood (or less) as Fireview, the house is 7-10 degrees warmer on first floor, much warmer 2nd and 3rd. I actually didn't wear socks on my hardwood floor one day...no heat in the basement and the floors were warm. Usually noticably cooler on landing betwen 1st and 2nd floor, but I didn't notice a temperature change going from 1st to 3rd floor with the Progress Hybrid. Woodstock has some suggestions for trying to get a longer slower burn, which I will be trying. Meanwhile, I am very happy with what I have and could live with the 8-9 hour burns I am getting. This stove is far easier to tend than the fireview and I feel much safer. The fireview took much longer to "reach equilibrium" and required attention for a good half hour with each new load of wood. Any distraction in the process and one could quickly have an outrageous fire with soaring stovetop temperatures, which took a good twenty minutes to half hour to subsequently manage. This never happens with the PH. It starts very quickly and one never need be distracted in the engaging process. Once the fire is set, it stays at such a consistent temperture for so long it is no worry. Then again,as my son says, there isn't anything I can do if the stove does get too hot because the damper is already closed all the way, so I might as well not worry....so we don't build big fires. But I'm not sure we will unless it is 30 below out. We're getting lots of level heat out of this fabulous stove. I used to think the Fireview was remarkable. I cannot believe the difference in the two stoves. This is easier to use, uses less wood for the same heat by a long shot, produces much more heat, heats the floor in front of the window less, keeps the window beautifully clean, and has a huge viewing window with a magnificent fire for viewing. Incidentally, I feel it is safer because it keeps the room warm enough that people and pets don't get too close to it, a problem I had at the end of the Fireview cycle when the house cooled considerably. I ordered without the lip because I do all my cooking on the stove (essentially) and don't want a hot piece of iron sticking out where I stand...a consideration for anyone who plans to do much cooking on their stove. Decided against a plinth for the same reason (and I didn't want to wait):
I think that mass of hot cast iron at my feet is asking for trouble, and, as I get older, I have a concern about hot cast iron under the loading door. I love this stove.
 
Thanks for the comprehensive review. I also have a Progress. Would love to see pics of your setup. I also find that my stove top temps tend to be in the 400s, although now that I've started loading it up more, I have been creeping into the 500s. I'm not getting the burn times you are with the smaller size loads and I'm getting more ashes by far - I do have the ashpan and am emptying the big pan every 4-5 days. So, I found that very interesting. I will soon be replacing the door gasket to deal with a smoke smell and it will be interesting to see how that affects things such as burn time and ashes. I'm also wondering about my draft and a pipe, my draft seems to be great, but we are having high winds today and even at 0, I've got more of an active fire going than usual. BTW, you forgot to mention that on top of everything else, this stove is gorgeous :)
 
Nice review. I also usually see temps max out in the 400s on a half load or so, unless I really damp it down. Then, I can burn a half load at around 350 for a long, long time.

I have a slightly oversized chimney (7X7) and I think this allows me to control those secondaries more than some folks. I can totally kill them with up to a 60% load if I damp down before they really get rolling. Large splits really help. I bet a flue damper would work wonders for those with strong drafts. Of course, then you'd have the draft control, cat damper, and flue damper to deal with.

I've had the stove top up to 580 on a mostly full load. My wife said she had it over 600 the other day. We are suppose to get some very cold weather and have several guests coming over the next couple days. They like to be warm. I will be burning harder than ever and can't wait! Oh, and I anticipate absolutely no problems with keeping the guests as warm as they want to be. ;-)
 
I'd love to see some pictures of your setups. I'm soon going to be putting in a wood stove and the Progress Hybrid is on the short list.
 
Thanks for the review. Sounds like you may be a candidate for the smaller secondary air plate, has Woodstock informed you of this plate?
 
I've been waiting for the plinth base model. Just received an email about the possibility of a short leg (5"?)version that will allow the progress to match the flue exit height of a fireview. My install requires this as the flue in my current setup goes straight out the back of the fireview and through the wall. They are apparantly evaluating each install of the short leg version and I need to send pics and dimensions of my hearth set up. I am hoping it will work as the plinth base unit seems to be a couple months out yet.
 
Am uninformed about the smaller secondary air plate. Will look into it if my other experiments don't work. Thanks.
Wanted short legs (very much) because I was concerned the long leg version would impose more than I wished in the room, and might make the stove higher than was comfortable for me from a cooking perspective. Woodstock told me they were not testing the stove for clearances with short legs, so went with the long legs. Long legs have been no problem, either visually or practically. I do not have the ash pan...don't think I'd like the way that looks, and ash removal was never a problem for me with the Fireview. This stove will be a lot easier than the Fireview. I did order Woodstock's rake with my stove, and use it to rake any embers and most ash to the front of the firebox before each reload...because I believe having the most heat there starts the stove up fastest...not that that has been a problem with this stove. Actually, maybe I should try stopping that...might help to get a slower burn started. I like the rake. Was using a short poker for this purpose with the Fireview.
To SE WI: Keep it on your short list. Pictures...I have a few and a movie or two on my SD card...really of the fire versus the installation...will go over them, then look into how to post pictures here....for someone with a son at MSFT I am VERY computer compromised. If I don't get it done, I'll get someone to do it for me next weekend.
I'd recommend this stove to anyone with a largish house/cold climate. This stove actually takes less space than a Fireview because of its top vent and reduced clearance. It is not dependent on electricty (no blowers). It is great for cooking almost anything...I cook oatmeal, eggs, sandwiches, potatoes, soups, roasts, pasta sauces, winter squash; even bake bread. Keep tea nad hot water on the stove all the time. I have four spare Fireview top pieces I ordered years ago. Keep them on top of the stove...two when cooking, 4 otherwise. Bedtime I wrap each in a beach towel and put it at the foot of each bed under the covers. Keeps the bed toasty and is still warm the next morning. A sister and her husband came up from Atlanta in December and took THREE to bed with them...and slept for 12 hours! Once started my car when it was 35 below and no power for the block heater by heating slabs and putting on car hood sandwiched between blankets. Worked like a charm. Point being...this is a great stove to have if there is a major extended power outage. Just be sure you have a supply of water handy when bad weather threatens...it won't run a pump. Other than that, you don't need a generator back up if you have this stove. With a smaller house, this is also true with Woodstock's other stoves....though the Fireview is NOT capable of cooking a turkey....doesn't keep as consistent a temperature for as long..at least in my experience. This stove is capable of putting out a massive amount of heat, and the heat is very comfortable...warms you like the sun
Woodstock's stoves are beautiful, their parts are reasonably priiced, during the 8 years I have had the pleasure of doing business with Woodstock they have been ever courteous and extraordinarily accommodating.
My only other comment at this time...I read thehearth.com site forum on wood....I can't believe how much wood people are burning. I do have great wood-maple, ironwood, beech. Keeping my Fireview burning with a full load, I found I used about a cord every 6 weeks during real winter weather, when never letting the fire go out. Less wood in milder weather. Burning the Progress Hybrid the way I am I am not using more wood, though I will obviously if I ever fill the firebox completely. I only expect to need more heat when it is really cold.
Do your research before buying a stove. by all means. I did mine in 2004 and have never regretted my decision to go with Woodstock.
Here's a short story: built my home in 1976. Designed for 5 Rumford fireplaces in a massive central chimney. Worked hard to locate the "best" mason so plans would be followed carefully for the Rumfords. Whole house built framed for the chimney and the mason put the base in the wrong place. So I scrapped plans for chimney and filled in the framed area. Never would have planned the fireplaces if these stoves had existed then...oh well. My Woodstock sits where the living room fireplace would have been. 650+ pounds in the weakest spot in the house. I really ought to put a post under it in the basement...joists are 2x 12 Douglas Fir, 2 layers of plywood over that---3/4 inch and 5/8 inch...then 5/4 x 6 long board (16 foot minimum length) white oak flooring. So I don't think anything is going anywhere. But I'll be more comfortable with a post under this area.
 
Welcome to the forum rideau.

Thank you for a well written review on the Progress. For the space and windows you have that has to be a difficult place to heat but it sounds as if you are doing excellent with it. We too have the Fireview and are very impressed with the Progress. We may go with the shorter legs as the plinth just is not ready yet and we don't want to have to change the flue as ours goes horizontally through the wall. The short legs will allow us to set the stove with no major changes. I also like the fact that you are doing so much cooking on the stove. We do a lot of that ourselves with the Fireview and have with every stove we've owned.

I will be interested in how much wood you use over the winter. Of course this year has been above normal for most places but perhaps not for you. Living by the lake I'm sure you get lots and lots of wind so the wood heat should really be a boon for you. It will be great if you can post pictures and if need be, I can help. I'll send you a PM.
 
Todd said:
Thanks for the review. Sounds like you may be a candidate for the smaller secondary air plate, has Woodstock informed you of this plate?

I'm not sure if this alternate plate is "EPA approved" yet. I had a conversation with WS about this.

Great review of this stove! You hit on all of the major points that make this stove so great!

My only complaint is that darn smoke baffle plate, gets in the way of loading the top splits. I tried removing the plate, you do get more smoke in the house.
 
3fordasho said:
I've been waiting for the plinth base model. Just received an email about the possibility of a short leg (5"?)version that will allow the progress to match the flue exit height of a fireview. My install requires this as the flue in my current setup goes straight out the back of the fireview and through the wall. They are apparantly evaluating each install of the short leg version and I need to send pics and dimensions of my hearth set up. I am hoping it will work as the plinth base unit seems to be a couple months out yet.

I have been waiting for the plinth base model too. I got the call last week about the short legs and will be picking up my progress next Friday. I was planning on adding a hearth extension originally, but after they looked over my setup, I only need to add a few inches of ember protection around the loading door. :)
 
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I really have to upgrade to the PH. We love our Fireview, but the house needs the extra oomph of the PH.
 
What are you waiting for Steve? Sometimes it is not good to wait. After all, I recall waiting on the shore for my ship to come in and a month later I found out it had came to the airport.
 
I'm waiting for the cash to show up! As much as the PH will work better for us, I am not convinced that I'll get much return on the investment. When we bought the Fireview in '09 the improvement over the old smoke dragon was so huge that the money we saved on propane paid for the Fireview about a month into the second season we used it. I don't see the PH paying for itself. It may burn a little less free wood, it would be more convenient to have the longer been times and possibly make the house more comfortable, but a single source of heat still won't keep the far end of the house warmer so the furnace will still have to run from time to time. I just can't justify the investment at this time. I'd be better off spending the money on some air sealing and better insulation in the far (cold) end of the house.
 
Sounds reasonable to me Steve.
Insulation goesa long ways in saving money or wood...at the least be warmer.
 
Flatbedford said:
I'm waiting for the cash to show up! As much as the PH will work better for us, I am not convinced that I'll get much return on the investment. When we bought the Fireview in '09 the improvement over the old smoke dragon was so huge that the money we saved on propane paid for the Fireview about a month into the second season we used it. I don't see the PH paying for itself. It may burn a little less free wood, it would be more convenient to have the longer been times and possibly make the house more comfortable, but a single source of heat still won't keep the far end of the house warmer so the furnace will still have to run from time to time. I just can't justify the investment at this time. I'd be better off spending the money on some air sealing and better insulation in the far (cold) end of the house.

That was my original thinking, too. Two years ago, I had insulation blown into the attic, I replaced nearly every window in the house, and had air sealing done in the attic and basement. It helped marginally, but this year we bought the Progress and NOW it's finally warm in here! Its presently 10 F outside, stove room is 71 degrees. The FV would be struggling right now. The far end of the house is cooler than the stoveroom, but that's the price to pay with a woodstove.

The other benefit, more of a convenience factor, is I can sleep through those cold nights and not have to feed the stove at 3 am.
 
I'm waiting for them to either install a t-stat or figure a way to control the secondary air a little more. Maybe they will have it all figured out by the next BBQ and I'll pick one up.
 
Woodstock had some suggestions that they think will control the secondaries...simple changes in the way I use my damper and combuster..different than the way one usualy does. If they work, I'll post the suggestions here. Am away from home right now. Can't wait to get back to -25 degrees, my stove and a foot of snow.
If Woodstock's suggestions don't work, I'm going to get a section of double wall excel stovepipe with built in damper to give me more control over air in the stove. Woodstock did confirm my son's recommendation of a stovepipe damper. I'm actually not certain it isn't a good idea for anyone who doesn't have a problem getting enough draft to get a stovepipe damper. Aside from giving more control over air in the stove, it would be a great safety factor in the event of a runaway fire, since one cannot shut off the air supply to a Progress Hybrid.
Generally this stove is incredibly easy to start, and throws a huge amount of heat on a half load of wood, while maintaining a nice safe steady stovetop temperature in the 400 degee range for many hours. It produces much more and steadier heat tan a Fireview, at least in my installation. But my draft is huge....the chimney whistles. I have a few movies of one of my first fires and you can clearly hear the whistle. I'll try to post the movies, which cover the first twenty minutes of a fire started 2/1/2 days after I got the stove, detailing time from lighting from ash only and stovetop temperature changes. It's pretty impressive, especially since this is a brand new stove that has its own learning curve, and I did lots of things in a less than ideal way...I'll probably try to post them to Microsoft's skydrive, (I think -hope-I can post movies as well as photos to this site) so if anyone wants to see then they can PM me their e-mail address and I can give them access to the movies once I post them. You can view them without having to download them.
 
Todd said:
I'm waiting for them to either install a t-stat or figure a way to control the secondary air a little more. Maybe they will have it all figured out by the next BBQ and I'll pick one up.

It's close.
 
My progress hybrid is shipping end of next week or so. I originally ordered the plinth base model just to match the flue exit height of the Fireview, instead I will be getting the standard model with 5" shorter legs. Not sure how the look will be with the short legs, but I am pumped to be getting the stove. I am thinking the stove will be easier to move into place with legs vs the plinth base.
 
Backwoods Savage said:
Todd said:
I'm waiting for them to either install a t-stat or figure a way to control the secondary air a little more. Maybe they will have it all figured out by the next BBQ and I'll pick one up.

It's close.


Do you mean the TStat is close? I talked to someone at Woodstock several weeks ago and at that time it did not seem like a priority. I really want to see a Tstat added before I get my Progress later this year.
 
Yes, they are working hard on it now. Hopefully we'll see more on it very soon.
 
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