Need a little help picking out a new stove

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innkeeper

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Nov 21, 2008
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midcoast maine
I'm an innkeeper on the coast of Maine and am doing my best to help with the heating of 7000 sq/ft with 2 woodstoves. One is a 3 yr. old VC Encore 2550 (Cat.)which totally heats my quarters, which is roughly 2000 ft/sq. Great stove, great heat...no problems.
I have been using wood to help heat since the Arab oil embargo in the 70s...mostly badly till I found this site several years ago. Now I am 2 yrs. ahead with my wood supply and am maintaining my equiptment much better. I can't tell you how much difference lurking here has made.
The rest of the inn is 5000 ft/sq heated by oil fired single pipe steam radiators. The house, a 3 story Victorian was built in 1849 and has the expected lack of wall insulation but new windows and lots of insulation in the attic. I supplement the steam heat with the 35 yr. old VC Vigilant 1977 which was here when we bought the Inn. I love this stove, but I think it's time to get something more efficient.
Here are my issues:
1. Inn guests can't see the fire when the doors are closed so when I have guests sitting in the LR, I open the doors and put in the screen...Way better than a regular fireplace, but glass doors would help a lot. Especially in Sept. and May/June when it's warm during the day and a bit chilly at night. Lots of open door/screen in time.
2. The Vigilant really puts out the heat and likes to run hot, 650 deg. for much of the time, has a relatively small firebox and needs to be fed heavilly and often.
3. The stove is in great shape, no warping or cracks, I redo the joints and regasket every other year or so and have a sweep here 2x/year., but it is old and it's time for a new stove.
What I hope for:
1. A stove that will burn cleanly and efficiently
2. A large firebox.
3. Glass doors.
4. Really put out the heat and help lower oil consumption in deep winter when we have few or no guests.
5. Burn well Sept., Oct. and May/June when I have to burn with doors open/screen in or with a very small fire and doors closed.
6. Look pretty for guests.
7. Can be burned with the doors open when I must.
The room the Vigilant is in is about 25'x15' with 5 doors and a staircase at both ends. The house was built by folks who planned on heating with parlor stoves and designed for it. When I get the stove fired up the warm air goes up the front stairs and the cool air returns down the back so there is no problem with overheating the LR where the stove is. I know that I can't heat 5000 sq/ft up to 70 deg. with 1 stove, but when I don't have guests at the Inn and can turn the t'stat down to 45 deg. I am hoping that I will be able to maintain that. I can do it with the Vigilant so long as outside temps stay above 20 deg., it's just a lot of work and a lot of wood.
The Vigilant is set up as a rear vent going into an 8" thimble centered at 28" up from the hearth then into a square 8" ceramic flue that is about 35' tall. The flue is about in the center of the building.
So far I'm thinking to replace it with a new VC 2in1 Defiant, but I would love to get some input from folks here.
 
I would also look at the Jotul F600 and the Quadrafire Isle Royale. The 2n1 Defiant also came to mind, but we don't have enough feedback on this model yet. If you have a good VC dealer nearby, it may be a good fit.

Another stove to consider is one that just came out - the Woodstock Progress Hybrid. It has a big Fireview and Woodstock is a great company. But I'm not sure you can run that stove with a screen. However, with the beautiful fireview on these modern stoves, I would place that as a very low priority.
 
Can the Equinox be run with a screen? That would make a nice center piece.
 
rdust said:
Can the Equinox be run with a screen? That would make a nice center piece.
Excellent idea, that hunk of stone would make an awesome centerpiece! And with that much sq footage you should be able to run that thing pretty hard at any time of the year lol
 
Thank you so much for your replys. Fortunatly, there are 2 excellent stove shops nearby. One carries VC, Jotul and Hearthstone and the other carries PE and Quadrafire.....Hmmmmm. You got me thinking. I went to Hearthstone's site I had no idea that they made a soapstone stove that would handle 3500 sq/ft and there is so much mass to that stove that I may not need a screen for the small fires that I build when the days are still warm. All of my previous stoves have been cast iron and I never gave soapstone a thought. Then I went to Quadrafire's site to look at the Isle Royal.
I guess I have a mission next week. There is so much going on in the woodheat industry since the last time I was in the market that it's going to take me a while to catch up. The change in stoves may have to wait till fall when it will work into the budget more easilly and I learn more, but I'll have fun exploring this winter.
 
Toss in my vote for the Jotul F600. Screen is available and it is a heating beast.
 
Hope you have a great season and can make that purchase in summer. Fall is list price time for buying stoves. A hot Monday in August is the perfect buying time.
 
I agree with BG on purchasing the stove on a hot Monday in August. I love these threads, there is so much to consider when buying a stove, the Soapstone stoves have my vote, knowing how long they retain heat after the fire dies down. The Equinox has been intriguing since I first laid eyes on it. But in my opinion, you can't go wrong with a purchase from Woodstock. The Progress hybrid is also acclaimed to have the highest BTU output of any EPA stove ever tested. Marketing or not you can't ignore those numbers. Furthermore, the combination of catalytic and non cat technologies combined in one stove would put it at the top of my list. Oh yeah, the best customer service in the industry and the six month full money back guarantee might help too. Not to mention the inn's proximity to the NH manufacturer and headquarters.
 
BeGreen said:
I would also look at the Jotul F600 and the Quadrafire Isle Royale.
Another stove to consider is one that just came out - the Woodstock Progress Hybrid. .

Three great picks.
 
Just echoing . . . F-600, Hearthstone Equinox or Woodstock Progress Hybrid would probably all suit your needs.

Gotta ask though . . . mid-coast Maine is a big place . . . which town or city if I may be so bold to ask?
 
innkeeper said:
Thanks to all for the help...I'm in Camden

I thought it might be in the general area . . . my great aunt used to own and run the Marriner Restaurant in downtown Camden . . . last name was actually Marriner.
 
innkeeper said:
Thanks to all for the help...I'm in Camden

I love Camden and worked for a summer nearby in Rockport. Is My Sister's Place still there on the water? We had the best lobster there ever many years ago.
 
The Vigilant has an 8" flue so you're good to go with the Hearthstone Equinox if it suits you. Most are going to recommend that you stick with 6" all the way to the cap for the other stoves, so you might need to line your existing 8" flue. Of course you might be just fine going with an adapter from the 6" up to an 8", but this is not optimal,may not be to code, and may adversely affect the operation of a 6" flue model. Did you say you had a liner or metal chimney already?

I'd go big for your space: Hearthstone Equinox, Woodstock Progress Hybrid, Lopi Liberty, etc. These are pretty stoves. The Equinox will be hard to find used; the Progress impossible to find used as it is really brand new to the scene; the Liberty can be found used. The Hearthstone Mansfield can be found used. I would consider used because you already have the venting taken care of. You would just be replacing an existing unit.

The fire screen for viewing is totally unnecessary in my opinion when you have glass front doors. The stoves I mentioned are beautiful and offer a great view of the flames. All your guests will be enchanted, I'm sure. Heck, you might even get a local shop that you purchase from to give you a break because you will offer some free advertising (maybe a little placquard or brochure or business cards displayed near the wood stove). You will offer some great advertising for them!
 
yukiginger said:
The Vigilant has an 8" flue so you're good to go with the Hearthstone Equinox if it suits you. Most are going to recommend that you stick with 6" all the way to the cap for the other stoves, so you might need to line your existing 8" flue. Of course you might be just fine going with an adapter from the 6" up to an 8", but this is not optimal,may not be to code, and may adversely affect the operation of a 6" flue model. Did you say you had a liner or metal chimney already?

I'd go big for your space: Hearthstone Equinox, Woodstock Progress Hybrid, Lopi Liberty, etc. These are pretty stoves. The Equinox will be hard to find used; the Progress impossible to find used as it is really brand new to the scene; the Liberty can be found used. The Hearthstone Mansfield can be found used. I would consider used because you already have the venting taken care of. You would just be replacing an existing unit.

The fire screen for viewing is totally unnecessary in my opinion when you have glass front doors. The stoves I mentioned are beautiful and offer a great view of the flames. All your guests will be enchanted, I'm sure. Heck, you might even get a local shop that you purchase from to give you a break because you will offer some free advertising (maybe a little placquard or brochure or business cards displayed near the wood stove). You will offer some great advertising for them!

I like the liberty but I'm partial...I noticed they used it in the movie "the Christmas Card". I agree no need for a screen with a big glass viewing area, plus I understand you'll get better heating results with the door closed anyway. I also think a soapstone stove would be a nice looking stove...
 
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Except for the open door viewing part here is the closest you will come to a modern clean burning stove that could handle the task of a large area. And its being done in a NY Inn right now.
 
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