What is normal temp?

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I have a new to me 10-CPM that I'm learning how to run. It was installed by a pro on Saturday, and I've been playing around with it. I'm currently burning Eco-Flame softwood pellets. The stove is set at 3-5-1 for the lower buttons. I'm getting a nice looking (I think) fire, no clinkers, and nice gray ash. Seems to be functioning normally.

However, I'm not getting as much heat as I expected to get. The glass gets pretty dirty after just one day, and I'm not even burning it when I'm gone. When I stick a meat thermometer into the front of the stove, it rarely reads higher than 100 degrees. It's supposed to be hotter coming out of there, right? I do have some Presto logs that I'm going to try. I've also ordered the DVD about cleaning and servicing the stove from Englander.

Any thoughts?
 
Depends. Whats your feed rate and blower speed set to?
 
I too am new with a 10-CPM. Just installed 11/10 by a professional. Originally ran at factory settings of 1-4-1 and was getting 160 air output at virtually every setting. Set bottom 3 buttons to 3-5-1 two days ago and appears to heat up house far better. Output now at 9/9 is 175. Burning Fireside Ultras. I have seen other outputs at 210+ and don't understand what I'm doing wrong. Any advice?
 
Doesn't seem to matter what the feed rate or blower are set at. Even at 9/9 it still never seems to get hotter than 110.
 
You cant "feel" a difference from 1-1 to 9-9. Scree what the thermo says. Does your hand feel it?

Your thermo may not be that sensitive. Getting a more accurate (digital) reading device may show some difference. But I would think there has to be a great difference in flame height? Bigger flame = More heat??

As for the right temp... Every stove is different.
 
If a stove is properly designed the temperature of the output air will be the same at matched settings of firing rate and convection fan rate. The amount of heat however will be more at the higher setting than at the lower setting, this is because there is more air heated at the higher setting (convection fan pushes more air through the exchanger).

Temperature is not the same as heat.

If you increase the low feed and low air settings you are changing the amount of fuel burned on each heat setting except the highest (I'm making a reasonable assumption on the high setting) this will affect the temperature you see compared to the old temperature you saw up until the highest setting.

If you change the pellets you are burning then the temperature will likely change on all settings, it could go up it could go down, it could even remain the same.
 
Fuel density and size also plays a role. So does your blower setting. A higher blower setting at a lower heat setting will result in cooler convection temps. But your moving more air around. So you still heat the room at about the same rate. Many variables in pellet stoves. Feed rate, Blower CFM only to name a few. So looking at other brands of stoves could throw you off. I would only compare to other CPM users. Probably best for the CPM owners to set stoves at similar rates and then compare temps. Don't use what my stove or other members stove are cranken out. Just saying.

Does the 10 CPM have a fuel gate in the hopper?
 
12 degrees right now, 11:00 am this morning.
Stove set at 9-9 and 3-5-1
Temp at 1" away on right side of stove 130 degrees.
Flame seems to vary from 2" above the pot to 12" and back agian, every 5 minutes or so.
Still burning Green Supreme, tried a bag of Geneva's, no differant.
Burned a lot hotter in the past (160), with bigger flame, same settings except only on 7-7, but 30's outside temp?
I have done good cleanings every week with a shop vac & lint-eater.
I,m going to try a bag of Okies today?
 
My stove is coasting right now and the magnetic thermometer stuck to the stove, just above the glass reads 200 degrees F. Harmon XXV with Okies. When it's really cranking it reads 300 degrees and I can't stand within 3 feet of the front of the stove - 'cause the air coming out is really hot. I clean it thoroughly every ton. It's hotter just after cleaned - but it's heating the whole house right now. It's 4 degrees out and we're at 72 degrees. Last cleaned a month ago.

Hope this helps

clifford
 
nhredbird, try the oakies and let us know. My stove burned a lot hotter with better pellets. Green Supremes only gave me about 160 with a temp probe inserted into the vents on the front, so you might get better results from some okies.
 
nhredbird said:
12 degrees right now, 11:00 am this morning.
Stove set at 9-9 and 3-5-1
Temp at 1" away on right side of stove 130 degrees.
Flame seems to vary from 2" above the pot to 12" and back agian, every 5 minutes or so.
Still burning Green Supreme, tried a bag of Geneva's, no differant.
Burned a lot hotter in the past (160), with bigger flame, same settings except only on 7-7, but 30's outside temp?
I have done good cleanings every week with a shop vac & lint-eater.
I,m going to try a bag of Okies today?
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How many bags of pellets have been through the stove since you had it installed, or since the last BIG, COMPLETE cleaning?

See this thread I started to see what I consider a complete cleaning:

www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/88480/BTW, 'm burning Lignetics green label Hard/Soft blend, and my very open floorplan log home is at 70 °F on settings 3-5-1 and 6-7
 
Put a bag of Okies in waiting for them to push the GS out of the way & hit the burn pot?
Well see tonight? If there better I'll pick up more tomorrow.
The blower at 250 cfm vs 150 cfm in the xxv is cooling my air temp.
Would be nice to slow it down, just to compare?
 
How many bags of pellets have been through the stove since you had it installed, or since the last BIG, COMPLETE cleaning?

See this thread I started to see what I consider a complete cleaning:
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Just got into my 3rd ton from October.
Did just clean flue lint-eatershop-vac and stove, opened ash traps, bang on back wall, last weekend.
As well as yesterday moved the stove away from wall, disconnected from the flue & OAK.
Put the large shop vac directly onto the combustion blower, checked to make sure the vacume switch tube was clear.
Not much came out, due to the cleaning last weekend?
Could see the fan blades looked pretty clean?
Think i,ll buy a cheap leaf blower, most likely only way to really now its clean from what i read here?
Just doesn't seem to be feeding as fast?
 
nhredbird said:
Just doesn't seem to be feeding as fast?
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If the pellets are on the long side, you'll get less actual volume in the burn pot with each auger turn. pellets that are smaller in length (1/2 - 1") will allow more in at one time.
 
Boy does that seem low to me. I have a digital meter with the thermocouple in one of my tubes. Last night with temps nearing zero and the stoves high limit set to 4 (out of 5) I saw 300 degrees as a max. This is the first time the stove has run that high for an extended time this year. It did a fantastic job keeping my house toasty warm.

I wish I knew more about the ins and outs of the Englander control panels but from my point of view, it sounds like a lack of air. You said it was new to you? Was it used? Maybe it's just a lack of a deep cleaning. It should work much better than it is for sure!

Chan
 
nhredbird said:
How many bags of pellets have been through the stove since you had it installed, or since the last BIG, COMPLETE cleaning?

See this thread I started to see what I consider a complete cleaning:
Click to expand...

Just got into my 3rd ton from October.




seems like alot of pellets to me
most people burn 4 ton a season
you are on track to burn 6 ton
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OK, sorry just getting back to this.
I was waiting for the Okies to hit the burn pot, during the game.
What a differance. High normal flame, temps went up 30 degrees right away.
Burned them till bed time, but still needed to top off the hopper. (only had 1-bag to try)
I mixed in a half bag of GS and went to bed.
Got up this am was better than the straight GS, but not as good as striaght Okies before bed.
At this point i think my equipment is ok, but somethings up with the 3rd batch of GS.
1st two tons burned much better.
As far as burning 3-tons, the house is 3200 sq. ft. with 16' ceiling in the living rm were the stove is.
Approx. 92 days of burning till i started the 3-ton. (Oct. 10th to Jan. 10th) 1.08 bags a day average + or -.
That rm has outside wall mostly glass and facing north.
 
I,m still confused?
Finished burning the 1-bag of Okies (was impressed!).
Came close to stopping and buying a 1.3 ton5-bags of Okies last night ($390 ouch)
Weather came in again so i didn't buy them.
I got home stove on 7-8 burning Green Supreme again, burning fine, air temp at 147 degrees.
Topped off with more GS before bed stove at 8-8 154 degrees.
Got up in the middle of the night temp dropped to 138, so i bumped it to 9-9 (all the time its still set at 3-5-1).
Got up at this morning air temp was 178 degrees, house was real warm.
Not bad for GS, turned it down to 6-7 & went to work.
Have to say when this stove wants to it can throw some heat.
Now its 1.3 ton of Okies or 2-ton of GS agian?
 
I think you 10-CPM users need to realize what those bottom settings do. I own a 10-CDV (older multi fuel englander that uses the same board) and the tech told me what each number does and that each fuel used may require different settings for best efficiency.

The first number adjust the fuel feed rate. I'd suggest raising it until the burn pot seems to get over run with pellets that back it off.
The second number adjusts the amount of air circulated through the burn pot. I'd raise this until your measured temperatureure is the hottest.
The third number adjust the burn pot auger time. I've never raised above one but higher numbers will help with clinkers.

Good luck
Craig
 
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