Can the UsStove window stove be installed in a bedroom?
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probly not.
most locales don't allow soild fuel burning devices in sleeping rooms.
best to check with local code enforcer.
most locales don't allow soild fuel burning devices in sleeping rooms.
best to check with local code enforcer.
SmokeyTheBear
Minister of Fire
Chris,
Please don't go there.
First off a lot of the stove manufactures do not allow it, ether spelled out in their installation manuals or by reference to certain codes, thereby making such an install not compliant with manufactures requirements.
It just goes down hill from there.
Please don't go there.
First off a lot of the stove manufactures do not allow it, ether spelled out in their installation manuals or by reference to certain codes, thereby making such an install not compliant with manufactures requirements.
It just goes down hill from there.
Ejectr
Minister of Fire
Nope...MA stat law does not allow the installation of a solid wood appliance in a "sleeping area".
firebroad
Minister of Fire
 WARNING—DO NOT INSTALL THIS UNIT IN A
SLEEPING ROOM. CAUTION—THE STRUCTURAL
INTEGRITY OF THE MOBILE HOME FLOOR, WALL,
AND CEILING/ROOF MUST BE MAINTAINED
http://www.northerntool.com/downloads/manuals/175098.pdf
SLEEPING ROOM. CAUTION—THE STRUCTURAL
INTEGRITY OF THE MOBILE HOME FLOOR, WALL,
AND CEILING/ROOF MUST BE MAINTAINED
http://www.northerntool.com/downloads/manuals/175098.pdf
I knew that free standing stoves were a negative, just didn't know if anyone knew if these were any different. Thanks for all the responses, question answered! 
Ejectr said:
I live in MA and have never heard that. Have you got a source for that?
I know the GAS code does not allow it. I've never seen anyplace in the USA that does not allow a reasonably sized SOLID fuel stove being installed in a bedroom.
Obviously in this case the stove mfg says you cannot, so you cannot by code.
Ejectr
Minister of Fire
KarlP said:
Yes...if the manufacturer states the unit is not allowed in a sleeping area, it is against state law. I failed to mentioned the manufacturer had to mention such. Thanks for your correction. My post is mis leading as it reads. Must have forgotten it because I was busy counting my pellets for the pig club.
Can we clarify what the definition of a "sleeping area" is? I have a spare bedroom which we currently only use for storage. There's not even a bed in it! Is it still against the code to install one in this room, assuming nobody ever sleeps there?
The only rooms upstairs in my house are bedrooms and a bathroom, so not many choices.
The only rooms upstairs in my house are bedrooms and a bathroom, so not many choices.
SmokeyTheBear
Minister of Fire
Ejectr said:
I believe that the manufacturer has to state that it is listed for and can be installed in a bedroom to be legally installed under MA law, otherwise it is prohibited. There are other requirements also in MA code dealing with combustion air requirements and confined places. Both of which can also make even a listed stove not be installable.
Ejectr
Minister of Fire
A sleeping area would be an area that is currently being used to sleep in. If you have a spare "bedroom" that is converted into a library or TV room with no ability to sleep every night or day in there, it's obviously not a "bedroom" anymore nor a sleeping area, but if there is a bed in there and someone sleeps in there at night or during the day as if it were a bedroom, it is a "sleeping area".ort5 said:
ort5 said:
I think the choice is to find a pellet stove that does not say "not for sleeping areas". If it doesn't say "not for sleeping areas" then you can have one in your bedroom that isn't a sleeping area.
SmokeyTheBear said:
Everything I have read is the other way around. Per the IMC a solid fuel stove has to be made for bedroom spaces or the mfg has to state it is not for bedrooms.
I don't think MA does anything but follow the IMC. If you look at details of what a confined space is in the IMC it means you cannot to put an 80k btu stove in your bedroom. 99% of the time you wouldn't want to do that anyway.
Any locality that uses the BOCA mechanical codes won't allow it.
"Vented gas, oil and solid fuel-fired appliances shall not be installed in bedrooms, bathrooms, toilet rooms, or rooms used for sleeping purposes."
"Vented gas, oil and solid fuel-fired appliances shall not be installed in bedrooms, bathrooms, toilet rooms, or rooms used for sleeping purposes."
BrotherBart said:
Is BOCA still around? I thought they merged with the International Code Council way back when I was in high school.
As far as I know, most places follow the International Mechanical Code.
http://www.iccsafe.org/gr/Documents/jurisdictionadoptions.pdf
Massachusetts (where the OP and I live) certainly follows the IMC standards for one and two family houses.
R102.4.3 Mechanical. The provisions of the International Mechanical Code shall apply to the
installation, alterations, repairs and replacement of mechanical systems, including equipment,
appliances, fixtures, fittings and/or appurtenances, including ventilating, heating, cooling, airconditioning
and refrigeration systems, incinerators and other energy-related systems.
And the IMC says -
303.3 Prohibited locations. Fuel-fired appliances shall not be located in, or obtain combustion air from, any of the following rooms or spaces:
1. Sleeping rooms
2. Bathrooms.
3. Toilet rooms.
4. Storage closets.
5. Surgical rooms.
Exception: This section shall not apply to the following appliances:
1. Direct-vent appliances that obtain all combustion air directly from the outdoors.
2. Solid fuel-fired appliances, provided that the room is not a confined space and the building is not of unusually tight construction.
3. Appliances installed in a dedicated enclosure in which all combustion air is taken directly from the outdoors, in accordance with Section 703. Access to such enclosure shall be through a solid door, weather-stripped in accordance with the exterior door air leakage requirements of the International Energy Conservation Code and equipped with an approved self-closing device.
Best bet is to ask your building inspector what code(s) they follow for HVAC in your area and if you can have a look at his copy of the code book.
SmokeyTheBear
Minister of Fire
movemaine
Minister of Fire
No only that, I don' think it would be a very efficient use, because you would turn it down when you are in there, and it wouldn't provide heat to any other part of the house.
SmokeyTheBear said:
And NFPA211 says you can't install a solid fuel appliance in an attached garage. So when your wife kicks you out of the house and you end up sleeping in your car you have to remember you aren't in a bedroom where you could have used a pellet stove?
Just trying to understand the logic here.
Well, it looks like the question generated quite a discussion! The reason I asked is because I saw a window stove on craigslist for $1000 brand new! The person did not like its look supposedly. I have been running an oil filled radiator in the boys big bedroom upstairs as it is generally 4-5° cooler than the hallway leading to it and the other three rooms upstairs.
It seemed like a reasonable solution to put a window stove up there, but it sounds like it is not an option. So, I'm just going to keep running the radiator at night to bring the temp up from 64° to 68°. I like the lower temp for sleeping, but the kids kick off their blankets in the middle of the night and say it is cold in there. The space heater is fine in there, it's on for about 10 hours/night when needed.
It seemed like a reasonable solution to put a window stove up there, but it sounds like it is not an option. So, I'm just going to keep running the radiator at night to bring the temp up from 64° to 68°. I like the lower temp for sleeping, but the kids kick off their blankets in the middle of the night and say it is cold in there. The space heater is fine in there, it's on for about 10 hours/night when needed.
I know those units have gone through all the UL Approval and lots of lawyers have looked at them, but the idea hanging something in a window, thats on fire, and HOT would scare the H%^& out of me, it just doesnt look right to me. Also we had a near miss with a fire (totally unrelated to fireplace or stove) , I'll pass on the window pellet stove.
ort5 said:
Construction officials consider a room with a closet and door a bedroom. May not be used as such today, but its a bedroom.
Ejectr
Minister of Fire
Why not just ask your building inspector. In the end, he/she is the one that will have to approve or disapprove what you did. He/she is the one who you are going to ultimately have to convince with what your definitions are.KarlP said:
Pelletfisky
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If there is a bed in the room dont install because it will fail inspection...You sleep in the chair in the livingroom with the stove thats your choice but you should know the risk. CO alarms can save your life but lets face facts many ppl dont even have working smoke alarms. I have worked Fire EMS and Police for many years and you wouldnt believe how many homes have wood stoves and not a smoke alarm and no CO alarm! In the end its up to you.......
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