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ffcarter

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Hello there my name is Todd and I'm new to these boards. I've found this board to be a great source of information for our upcoming fireplace purchase. You guys obviously have a large amount of information on wood burning fireplaces. We plan to purchase a new fireplace and my wife and I have narrowed it down to four choices. They are the BIS Tradition, RSH Opal, Regency Regency EX90 and the Heatnglo North Star. Our house is 1500 sq ft and it will placed on an outside wall. What do you guys think? Any advice on these stoves, pricing and how to find the best deal would be greatly appreciated.

Respectfully,
Todd
 
Welcome, Todd. Sorry, I can't advise on those FPs. Love your area - sure enjoyed visiting Rosalyn, WA where they filmed Northern Exposure.
 
ffcarter said:
Hello there my name is Todd and I'm new to these boards. I've found this board to be a great source of information for our upcoming fireplace purchase. You guys obviously have a large amount of information on wood burning fireplaces. We plan to purchase a new fireplace and my wife and I have narrowed it down to four choices. They are the BIS Tradition, RSH Opal, Regency Regency EX90 and the Heatnglo North Star. Our house is 1500 sq ft and it will placed on an outside wall. What do you guys think? Any advice on these stoves, pricing and how to find the best deal would be greatly appreciated.

Respectfully,
Todd

Can't speak to all of them, but depending on how much work you're
gonna do yourself, the Northstar will cost you as much as $7k. The
unit alone is around $4k & the venting - minimum of 15ft - is maybe
another $1K with the outside air, chimney sections, firestops cap &
chasetop...The framing to contain this - in a chase install - is fairly
substantial - 6ft wide x 4ft deep...
HTH
 
Roslyn is a great town with a lot of character I live about 40 miles west of there. Yes, we are quickly learning that the chimney systems can be as much as P of the cost of the stove. We have decided to stay away from air cooled chimneys as well after reading all of your guys great posts.

Thanks,
Todd
 
We just installed the RSF Opel 3. It is AWESOME. It is currently TOO hot in the house... 2400 square feet, nearly entirely heated. We also installed the blower as well as the "Heat Dump Kit" to vent heat into the room behind the fireplace. Pretty sure this is the best purchase I have ever made.
 
I have sold all of the units you are looking at.

My first choice would be the BIS Traditions. It is an awesome unit and I have never had one complaint with that fireplace. Huge firebox and awesome fit and finish. I will say that it might be a little over kill for the size of your home though. These put out a lot of heat.

The RSF Opel is a good unit also. Some unique features. They require ICC pipe which can be very expensive.

The Regency is an ok product. I dont like the small viewing area.

I would shy away from the Heat n Glo. I haven't had good luck with them.
 
customfireplacesupply said:
I would shy away from the Heat n Glo.
I haven't had good luck with them.

Care to elaborate? When they first came on the scene (05?) they had some issues
with the fan thermo-disks, but resolved that problem within a year. I have sold
& installed probably 25 of them & had absolutely no issues since the T-D redesign.
They have a 2.75 Cu Ft firebox, a decent sized viewing area & throw tremendous
amounts of heat. Not sure if ALL of the OP's cited units do, but the Nothstar has the
option for adding one or more Heat Zones to the basic unit...One of my customers
uses that feature to warm his basement office, located UNDER the unit. Another heats
his entry foyer. My feelings are that it's a quality unit & I would've installed one in MY
home if it was on the market when I designed my A-frame...
 
DAKSY said:
customfireplacesupply said:
I would shy away from the Heat n Glo.
I haven't had good luck with them.

Care to elaborate? When they first came on the scene (05?) they had some issues
with the fan thermo-disks, but resolved that problem within a year. I have sold
& installed probably 25 of them & had absolutely no issues since the T-D redesign.
They have a 2.75 Cu Ft firebox, a decent sized viewing area & throw tremendous
amounts of heat. Not sure if ALL of the OP's cited units do, but the Nothstar has the
option for adding one or more Heat Zones to the basic unit...One of my customers
uses that feature to warm his basement office, located UNDER the unit. Another heats
his entry foyer. My feelings are that it's a quality unit & I would've installed one in MY
home if it was on the market when I designed my A-frame...

Sure, my main problem with the North Star is the chimney. You have to use the SL300 series air-cooled pipe. It just doe not perform that well. At moderately cool temperatures it functions fine, but the colder it gets the worse it performs. When it is really cold the chimney just doesn't have the draw to make it function correctly. Heat n Glo also requires the installation of the Chimney Air Kit (CAK4A) which besides adding another hole in the home, doesn't help the draw on the colder days. Add to that, that the SL300 pipe is much larger than Class-A pipe and can give a bit more trouble trying to meet clearances. So depending on where it will be located it could be fine. I know that here in the mountains of Colorado it seems to give some grief.

Other than that, it is a good unit. It typically prices out pretty competitively to its competition, but I still feel there are better units out there.

I believe all the other units offer a heat distribution system also. I am not positive on the Regency, I will have to check. But the Bis and the RSF have a force heat distribution system available. The Bis Tradition gives you another option to connect it to your central air system, although it does loose its EPA rating when connected.

Hope that helps! Thanks
 
customfireplacesupply said:
DAKSY said:
customfireplacesupply said:
I would shy away from the Heat n Glo.
I haven't had good luck with them.

Care to elaborate? When they first came on the scene (05?) they had some issues
with the fan thermo-disks, but resolved that problem within a year. I have sold
& installed probably 25 of them & had absolutely no issues since the T-D redesign.
They have a 2.75 Cu Ft firebox, a decent sized viewing area & throw tremendous
amounts of heat. Not sure if ALL of the OP's cited units do, but the Nothstar has the
option for adding one or more Heat Zones to the basic unit...One of my customers
uses that feature to warm his basement office, located UNDER the unit. Another heats
his entry foyer. My feelings are that it's a quality unit & I would've installed one in MY
home if it was on the market when I designed my A-frame...

Sure, my main problem with the North Star is the chimney. You have to use the SL300 series air-cooled pipe. It just doe not perform that well. At moderately cool temperatures it functions fine, but the colder it gets the worse it performs.

Interesting. We are probably just as cold here in upstate New York, but maybe the higher altitudes lead to the performance issues you cite. We have a unit in each of our showrooms, both of which are in severe negative pressure environments. I admit to having drafting issues starting a conventional fire, without opening a door, but we demonstrate the "top down" method to our customers & there are no performance issues at start up...

When it is really cold the chimney just doesn't have the draw to make it function correctly. Heat n Glo also requires the installation of the Chimney Air Kit (CAK4A) which besides adding another hole in the home, doesn't help the draw on the colder days.

The only hole we put in the home is thru the first fire deck, IN THE CHASE. We do NOT install the CAK4A to the outside. We seal the box around the SL300 vent & to the firebox with aluminum tape. The 4" corrugated aluminum flex is run up thru the sheetrock (or plywood) fire deck & into the cavity above the deck. That deck is covered with Kraft-faced insulation EXCEPT on the firestop, & the firestop is also sealed to the SL300 vent, so the cold air penetration is limited to the CAK

Add to that, that the SL300 pipe is much larger than Class-A pipe and can give a bit more trouble trying to meet clearances. So depending on where it will be located it could be fine. I know that here in the mountains of Colorado it seems to give some grief.

As far as clearances go, they are 2" to combustibles, the same as Class A. Since the unit is 23-1/8 deep, the chase from the unit supports up, aesthetically speaking, can be a continuous depth to the chase top. Even the ones we install WITHIN the envelope of the structure, have an internal chase to the ceiling, kinda making the clearance issues moot

Other than that, it is a good unit. It typically prices out pretty competitively to its competition, but I still feel there are better units out there.

I believe all the other units offer a heat distribution system also. I am not positive on the Regency, I will have to check. But the Bis and the RSF have a force heat distribution system available. The Bis Tradition gives you another option to connect it to your central air system, although it does loose its EPA rating when connected.

Hope that helps! Thanks

Thanks for your input. I STILL wonder if your performance issues are altitude related...
 
Treacherous said:
When did you visit Roslyn? My cabin is a few miles north of there.

1993. We lived in Portland, OR from 92-94. I asked the townsfolk where the Northern Exposure stars stayed when they were filming. One lady said "Oh, in the city - Cle Elum". I about toppled over. LOL. I loved that show, so, walking around where the moose did was quite the hoot. It sure is beautiful country.
 
Thank you guys for all the great input. I have to admit there is alot more to this beast then I anticipated. Just when I think I'm going to lean one direction I change my mind. Fairly mild temps here, not to often do we drop below 25, usually not even below 30. Would this have much effect on an air cooled chimney system?

Thanks,
Todd
 
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