fisher stove ???

nacho said:

Have just came across an old fisher wood stove. My uncle had it behind his shed and am thinking of replacing it with my black bart insert in my garage. It has two doors, and a baffle on the top plate in the rear. I have searched this sight and have not found much info on these models. I think I can get it for about 100$ It is in great shape just wanted to find some info.
Have seen some on ebay but none with the baffles. I think this is a good buy as most stoves sell for more than this and has to heat better than what I have.

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You can find some info on Fisher and a pic of one in the wiki....do a search there.

Also, some info in the Q and A section.

According to NFPA chapter 9 No solid fuel burning appliance shall be installed in a garage in a residential dwelling
This is considered a dangerous location with cars that contain gasoline in their tanks many store lawn mowers and other appliances that store gasoline in them it is strictly forbidden location IT matters not what brand or at what price. None can l be installed in compliance

Elk, i thought there was a rule where the appliance has to be so many feet off the ground and it was ok?

elkimmeg said:

According to NFPA chapter 9 No sloid fuel burning appliancve shall be installed in a garage in a residential dwelling
This is considered a dangerous location with cars tha contain gasoline in their tanks many store lawn mowers and other appliances that store gasolimnne in them it is strictly forbiden location IT matters not what brand or at what price. None can l be installed in compliance

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What the difference between residential and industrial ? I have seen 100's of automotive shops over the years with wood heaters in them . What about "detached" garage ? How about a barn ? Or an out building ? Wood shop ? Fix it shop ? Big shed ? An old van parked out back ? O.K. I was kidding about the van . ( or was I ? )

MSG garages require appliances either listed for that location or elevated combustion chamber. That's why most commercial garages have over head moen type heaters. Gas fumes accumulate near floor level All furnaces that are elevated 18" plus, also require outside air feeds no combustion air can be taken from a garage due to it potential mix with gasoline fumes. Most wood stoves are within the 18" of the floor. Second they are not closed combustion chambers appliances with always open air inlets. Be it the primary or secondary air openings. None are listed for garage locations.

As for unattached garages they seem to burn down at the same rate as attached ones except they may be able to be confined to only that garage. There is still property loss the garage and it contains.

As for work shops and out buildings put a Volzand in there if you want. Again hazards exist such as paints and finishes, sawdust also can be explosive.

All I can do is try to control installations under my jurisdiction and make forum members aware of existing codes. I have cut and pasted this code enought times and this discussion has occurred before. And yes,some still install wood stoves in garages.

Even Russian roulette does not kill a person, with every click of the trigger.

one can solve this problem easily, don't own any vehicles or equiptment that runs on gasoline, i don't.

NFPA 211 Chapter 9 Solid Fuel-burning Appliances

9.2.3
Soilid fuel-burning appliances shall not be installed in any location where gasoline or any other flammable vapors or gases are likely present

9.2.4 Solid fuel-burning applainces shall not be installed in any residential garage

Since all stoves are listed to be installed to NFPA 211 compliance. One has to wonder what other scoffing of NFPA is done to install the appliances. I guess that does not matter, once it is illegal nothing else matters anyway, It shouldn't be there.
The arguement that many other do it, only confirms ingorance abounds. So 50 people are wrong is the justification for other to follow?.

All I did was present the listed code standard for solid fuel-burning appliances. Really it is quite easy to interpet

When i installed my wood stove in the garage .................. I built the wood stove and made the pedestal so the stove sits 20" off the floor . I installed the stove just like it would be installed in the house , the stove is so many inches away from the walls , Steel wall shields were installed , the stove sits in a corner by its self with a wall mounted fan . The chimney is single wall pipe to the ceiling boot then its stainless steel through the attic and out the top . No cars sit in the garage unless being worked on . All gas tanks and fuel is stored out in the shed . Paints and such are on the opposite end of the garage in a steel cabinet . The hot water heater thats in the garage bathroom is electric , but sense i weld and use O/A that doesn't make a difference. Because i went thought all the steps to make it safe .......... does it make it right ? No , per code i would say not. I did think it was odd that you can have a LP blast heater and or have floor flame heaters like BrotherBart had mentioned. I install the wood stove because i DIDNT want the "open flame" of the gas heaters in the garage but i guess i find out what i thought was a safer heat source was just the opposite .

elkimmeg said:

NFPA 211 Chapter 9 Solid Fuel-burning Appliances

9.2.3
Soilid fuel-burning appliances shall not be installed in any location where gasoline or any other flammable vapors or gases are likely present

9.2.4 Solid fuel-burning applainces shall not be installed in any residential garage

Really it is quite easy to interpet

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It's clear what it covers, but what is a residential garage? Is it defined? Does it mean attached to the home? I think we went over this before and there is a difference between a garage and an outbuilding.

As far as storage of the flammables, that is clear. Anyone who wants to go up in flames should use laquer thinner while smoking cigarettes (no kidding, I have seen this done in a commercial wood shop) - the place burnt down soon after with no loss of life.

BTW, the garage thing also affects gas hot water heaters and other sources of flame....either they are not allowed or they have to be a certan distance off the ground.

Roospike said:

? No , per code i would say not. I did think it was odd that you can have a LP blast heater and or have floor flame heaters like BrotherBart had mentioned. I install the wood stove because i DIDNT want the "open flame" of the gas heaters in the garage but i guess i find out what i thought was a safer heat source was just the opposite .

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No one says your installation could not be safe - it sounds quite safe!

The reason the codes exist is that people don't think about these things that way that you did, and next thing you know they are warming up the paint thinner next to the stove.....and doing various other crazy things.

I would assume some similar rules must apply to vent free heaters - it's really an open flame issue, not a solid fuel one.

nacho said:

Just wanted to know if this was a good buy and try to find and model # or some info on the stove. Not tons of nfpa codes, rules, and regulations.

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Yeah, I hear ya!

That's a bundle of iron for a price of $150 or less, and it is likely to last forever.

BrotherBart said:

Craig says it all right there on the first forum page under "The Hearth Room":

"but don't be surprised if your answer contains a little more than you were asking for!"

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DITTO . No charge for the"EXTRA" information nacho . As for your model # ..... I myself would be unsure. Its hard to give a model # for a stove that is unseen SO00000000 best of luck on the stove . BTW $150 for a solid stove I'm sure is a good price thats not warped and full of rust.

nacho said:

Have just came across an old fisher wood stove. My uncle had it behind his shed and am thinking of replacing it with my black bart insert in my garage. It has two doors, and a baffle on the top plate in the rear. I have searched this sight and have not found much info on these models. I think I can get it for about 100$ It is in great shape just wanted to find some info.
Have seen some on ebay but none with the baffles. I think this is a good buy as most stoves sell for more than this and has to heat better than what I have.

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This stove is horribly, HORRIBLY inefficient. That aside, the Fisher stoves I have seen are unbelieveably well built and durable.

My parents are still using a Fisher stove (Mama Bear? Papa Bear?) that was purchased 25 years ago. The ONLY maintenance ever done to this stove is to replace the refractory brick inside the firebox (and not often at that). My dad burns that sucker HOT, and has never had any problems. I firmly believe that stove could still be used another 25 years from now.

We also have a smaller single door Fisher in our hunting trailer that is just as durable. Both stoves do have dampers installed in the pipe, since the only real way to get any efficiency at all out of these stoves is to heat them up and damper them down pretty hard.

Neither of these stoves have the baffle you are talking about, so your uncle's stove may be a newer design.

I say go for it if you are just looking for an occasional heather for your garage, and efficiency isn't your #1 concern.

Please remember to clean the chimney often if you buy this stove. It is unbelieveable how much creosote is produced when burning this stove (at least on my parent's masonry unlined chimney).

Good luck, and watch out for overzealous local building inspectors.

Picked up the wrong edition 2002 instead of 2003 but the language concerning solid fuel burning applainces is the same only the chapter nunbers have changed Sorry