WS Progress Hybrid sporadic chugging

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mliiiwit

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Jan 4, 2012
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Southern KS
This is my second fire in the PH. After establishing a decent bed of coals burning pecan, during which it was difficult to achieve catalytic combustion temps, I threw 3 medium sized splits of oak in the stove. After 10 minutes in bypass and full open draft, I completely closed the draft and the bypass and the stove quickly went black. Now, about 1 hr. 50 minutes later, the box is still black but sporadically bursts into a box full of secondary flames about every 15 to 30 seconds., with the flames lasting 1 second or less. Top temp is up to 520 and either steady or very slowly increasing. The firebox seems to be accumulating gas and oxygen until a combustible mixture is achieved, then the mix is suddenly combusting with a "whoosh" and a sucking noise. Very similar to an old hit-and-miss gas engine. Not concerned, but very impressed as this seems to be an ultra-efficient mode with good quality wood.

My stove shipped 2/9/2012. Has anyone else experienced this?
 
It sounds like it's starving for air. Try giving it a bit more to see if that stops the hit or miss combustion.
 
BeGreen said:
It sounds like it's starving for air. Try giving it a bit more to see if that stops the hit or miss combustion.

I really don't want or need any more heat. I'm going to just watch this for awhile. It's very interesting. Will keep you all posted. BTW, BG, I love the quotes in your signature and have added them to my internal email sig at work for benefit of the corp management types, i.e. the mediocre minds.
 
The chugging is becoming more frequent and less "explosive" now. Getting a LOT of heat but the stove top and flue pipe temps are maintaining @ 510 and 275.
 
The "chugs" are becoming less frequent and much less "explosive" (explosive is the best description I can think of, though I was never concerned for the integrity of the stove). The most violent chugs I witnessed never even came close to lifting the lid stones or causing me concern. Now the "chugs" are longer-lived and much gentler, without any "whoof,", "chug" or sucking noise. Just a nice repeating secondary flame. This stove is both peculiar and fascinating.
 
The "chugs" have ended and there is now just a bit of occasional secondary flame. I believe the "peak-of-burn" of this light to moderate load of oak has passed and the stove is ready to be "put to bed" for the night. Top temp is 510 and flue temp is now down to 260. I'm curious to see what will be in the firebox 4 hours from now. WOW! The specie of wood can REALLY make a difference in the heat output and burn characteristics of the stove.
 
Temps are down to 470 & 230 now, with no secondary "bursts". I'm going to bed (on the couch in the stove room).
 
Our Lopi has done that on occasion. I think I've seen it refered to as "woofing". Usually if we give it just a bit more air, it will settle out. While I don't worry about it blowing up the stove or anything, I figure it's what BeGreen said-the stove is just a bit air starved and needs a little bit more to have a more even combustion. It is an interesting thing to see though..black firebox..poof, fire...black firebox...poof, fire.
 
I always get some "whoosh" when the enough gases build up for the cat to ignite. You don't want it to be violent, though. I don't turn the draft down to full closed for quite awhile to avoid this. I usually burn just a hair above fully closed. The dark firebox is fine as long as your cat is engaged and working. I'd say give it a bit longer before you close it down.
 
Mine did this as well when new. It calmed down after a few days. I was told the cats are more active when new.
 
I have experienced this with my Fireview but smoke would escape around the top everytime the combustion occured. This is referred to as "Backpuffing" in my case, I was cutting the air down too much for my outside air temps and also had low flue temps. I've had this happen twice and each time it has been the same conditions. Took me awhile to figure this out but this combo is what I came up with. I have been more aware of outside conditions vs stove operation and flue temps and have had no more issues. The folks on this site were a big help, there is no situation with woodburning they can't figure out, as I am slowly learning my stove. It is a learning process, you will eventually get a "Feel" for your stove as I am starting to now, unfortunatley for me, I think I have had my last burn for this season.....just my 2 cents, which is probably whats its worth...
 
Spontaneous combustion of the gases..lol.
Mine will do it.
 
I'd want to minimize strong "whoosh" because the simultaneous vacuum action is going to pull lots of fine ash into the screen, and, in my experience, through the screen to the surface of the cat, quickly cutting performance and requiring earlier screen and cat cleaning. Just one of those things that, if avoided, may make these stoves easier to operate efficiently with less nuisance and maintenance.
 
Make sure the anti-backpuffing hole is clear. It's located between the andirons, near the base. Heavy ash can cover it up. It's supposed to reduce the backpuffing by always prividing some air, although it will not eliminate it.
 
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