Another Room/Stove Temp Question on Accentra Insert?

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bee_2102

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I have been searching past topics to learn as much as I can. I have been running my accentra insert on stove mode set to 5 for the past couple days. Feed Rate is at 4 (don't change it at all). It doesn't seem to throw out the heat as it would when I ran the insert on room temp leaving the dial on 5, around the 75 degree mark. It is in my basement and I don't really want to be heating the basement up and then having the heat loss when it is set to room temp as it's keeping my upstairs heated. I fluctuated the dial from 4 to 5 thinking that increasing it to 5 would have more heat output. Basement is around 74, it is finished, and the the upstairs is around 67/68. Seems to use less pellets when I run it on stove temp too.
Also have a question on the ash buildup. It says you should have around an inch of ash buildup from the front of the burnpot back. I am getting about 2 inches and it's really thick especially in the corners. I was told to only scrap the bot once or twice a week, but I feel as though the buildup covering up the holes will result in less effieciency??? Just asking as I am all new to this and trying to learn from you guys. Thanks again.
 
bee_2102 said:
I have been searching past topics to learn as much as I can. I have been running my accentra insert on stove mode set to 5 for the past couple days. Feed Rate is at 4 (don't change it at all). It doesn't seem to throw out the heat as it would when I ran the insert on room temp leaving the dial on 5, around the 75 degree mark. It is in my basement and I don't really want to be heating the basement up and then having the heat loss when it is set to room temp as it's keeping my upstairs heated. I fluctuated the dial from 4 to 5 thinking that increasing it to 5 would have more heat output. Basement is around 74, it is finished, and the the upstairs is around 67/68. Seems to use less pellets when I run it on stove temp too.
Also have a question on the ash buildup. It says you should have around an inch of ash buildup from the front of the burnpot back. I am getting about 2 inches and it's really thick especially in the corners. I was told to only scrap the bot once or twice a week, but I feel as though the buildup covering up the holes will result in less effieciency??? Just asking as I am all new to this and trying to learn from you guys. Thanks again.

room temp will raise and lower the feed rate as neccesary to maintain the temp, using more or less pellets
stove temp maintains a constant stove temp so pellet use and heat output is consistent
ash build-up is only at stove temp setting 7 so on other settings it will vary
I scrape my burn pot several times a day, wont hurt anything and keeps it clean
 
bee_2102 said:
I have been searching past topics to learn as much as I can. I have been running my accentra insert on stove mode set to 5 for the past couple days. Feed Rate is at 4 (don't change it at all). It doesn't seem to throw out the heat as it would when I ran the insert on room temp leaving the dial on 5, around the 75 degree mark. It is in my basement and I don't really want to be heating the basement up and then having the heat loss when it is set to room temp as it's keeping my upstairs heated. I fluctuated the dial from 4 to 5 thinking that increasing it to 5 would have more heat output. Basement is around 74, it is finished, and the the upstairs is around 67/68. Seems to use less pellets when I run it on stove temp too.
Also have a question on the ash buildup. It says you should have around an inch of ash buildup from the front of the burnpot back. I am getting about 2 inches and it's really thick especially in the corners. I was told to only scrap the bot once or twice a week, but I feel as though the buildup covering up the holes will result in less effieciency??? Just asking as I am all new to this and trying to learn from you guys. Thanks again.

Click on the link in my signature. It will explain the one inch of ash scenario.
 
Haha, do you realize you said it doesn't seem to throw as much heat on Stove temp, but it used less pellets. No magic, less heat means less pellets.

Stove temp will only give you the perception of using less pellets if the weather swing is conducive to Stove temp - In other words, if the weather goes from cold to colder, stove temp will allow the house to cool thus using "less pellets". Now, if the weather goes from cold to warm, Stove temp will tend to overheat the room and waste pellets, even though useage is similar. Either scenario, pellet usage will vary because the stove temp will work harder when it cools down since it's trying to maintain a constant ESP temp. So each variable has its own set of variables... Clear as mud, huh.

Room temp will handle the swings without overcooling or overheating the room. If the stove is running fine, heat loss of your house and specific pellet BTU content will determine pellet usage by the stove. The efficiency of the stove won't change much either way. Like I said, no majic. The ESP control really is amazing. It will even account for extra cooling/heating of the heat exchanger with the distribution fan speed you select.
 
lbcynya said:
Haha, do you realize you said it doesn't seem to throw as much heat on Stove temp, but it used less pellets. No magic, less heat means less pellets.

Stove temp will only give you the perception of using less pellets if the weather swing is conducive to Stove temp - In other words, if the weather goes from cold to colder, stove temp will allow the house to cool thus using "less pellets". Now, if the weather goes from cold to warm, Stove temp will tend to overheat the room and waste pellets, even though useage is similar. Either scenario, pellet usage will vary because the stove temp will work harder when it cools down since it's trying to maintain a constant ESP temp. So each variable has its own set of variables... Clear as mud, huh.

Room temp will handle the swings without overcooling or overheating the room. If the stove is running fine, heat loss of your house and specific pellet BTU content will determine pellet usage by the stove. The efficiency of the stove won't change much either way. Like I said, no majic. The ESP control really is amazing. It will even account for extra cooling/heating of the heat exchanger with the distribution fan speed you select.


You really seem to know a lot about these stoves, so I appreciate all your input and advice. I ran on stove temp 4 during the day when we were at work to just maintain temp. I knew that it was going to get cooler overnight and bumped up the setting to 5. It really didn't seem to help at all. Like I stated, I am trying to keep the upstairs warm along with the basement. I took the room sensing probe out from underneath the air intake and put it away from the stove. Do you think I would be better off just running on Room Temp then? Also, I know that my installer didn't record the low/high draft upon install. Is that something I should have him come back and do or don't you feel as it would be necessary? He just ran a chimney liner 25 ft up the chimney. No OAK or insulation. Thanks again for all your help.
 
bee_2102 said:
lbcynya said:
Haha, do you realize you said it doesn't seem to throw as much heat on Stove temp, but it used less pellets. No magic, less heat means less pellets.

Stove temp will only give you the perception of using less pellets if the weather swing is conducive to Stove temp - In other words, if the weather goes from cold to colder, stove temp will allow the house to cool thus using "less pellets". Now, if the weather goes from cold to warm, Stove temp will tend to overheat the room and waste pellets, even though useage is similar. Either scenario, pellet usage will vary because the stove temp will work harder when it cools down since it's trying to maintain a constant ESP temp. So each variable has its own set of variables... Clear as mud, huh.

Room temp will handle the swings without overcooling or overheating the room. If the stove is running fine, heat loss of your house and specific pellet BTU content will determine pellet usage by the stove. The efficiency of the stove won't change much either way. Like I said, no majic. The ESP control really is amazing. It will even account for extra cooling/heating of the heat exchanger with the distribution fan speed you select.


You really seem to know a lot about these stoves, so I appreciate all your input and advice. I ran on stove temp 4 during the day when we were at work to just maintain temp. I knew that it was going to get cooler overnight and bumped up the setting to 5. It really didn't seem to help at all. Like I stated, I am trying to keep the upstairs warm along with the basement. I took the room sensing probe out from underneath the air intake and put it away from the stove. Do you think I would be better off just running on Room Temp then? Also, I know that my installer didn't record the low/high draft upon install. Is that something I should have him come back and do or don't you feel as it would be necessary? He just ran a chimney liner 25 ft up the chimney. No OAK or insulation. Thanks again for all your help.

I've noticed that when you run on stove temp the farther you turn the dial the less the temperature increases proportionately. So I dial change from 3 to 4 has a greater impact on temperature then and I'll change from 4 to 5. I think they do this to prevent people from turning the temperature too high and overheating the space when they're not home. Since you are trying to heat 2 levels with a space heater, it's hard for me to tell you exactly the best way to run your stove, I can only help you understand the differences between each setting. You'll need to experiment with the settings to see what's best. Ironically, my stove is in the basement as well. However, my goal is not to drive a lot of heat upstairs since I have a wood stove up there. If it helps, I only run my stove on room temp ignitor switch set to manual. I keep my basement temperature at 72 degrees 24/7 and I burn about 1 bag a day for 1200 square feet, lower level only.

Relative to draft, is your flame really pointy and angry or is it more like a traditional fire? This is best determined during a medium burn. If it is angry, then you might need to restrict the air intake by covering about 1/3rd with aluminum tape. If this makes the flames less angry but not lazy ben your draft might be a little high. My stove seems to burn clean with the air intake covered at 50 percent. You can use your hands to cover the air intake and see how the flame changes as you cover more or less of the air intake. You want a vibrant flame but not an angry flame nor do you want see what looks like black tips on the flames which would indicate a dirty burn.
 
lbcynya said:
Relative to draft, is your flame really pointy and angry or is it more like a traditional fire? This is best determined during a medium burn. If it is angry, then you might need to restrict the air intake by covering about 1/3rd with aluminum tape. If this makes the flames less angry but not lazy ben your draft might be a little high. My stove seems to burn clean with the air intake covered at 50 percent. You can use your hands to cover the air intake and see how the flame changes as you cover more or less of the air intake. You want a vibrant flame but not an angry flame nor do you want see what looks like black tips on the flames which would indicate a dirty burn.

According to our installer, the draft reading was spot on, but our flame is quite strong, i.e. a blow torch when going full bore.
Since we have an OAK that is easily accessible on the outside of the house, I can tape part of it to restrict the airflow.
Besides the flame strength, what advantage could this give us?
 
lbcynya said:
bee_2102 said:
lbcynya said:
Haha, do you realize you said it doesn't seem to throw as much heat on Stove temp, but it used less pellets. No magic, less heat means less pellets.

Stove temp will only give you the perception of using less pellets if the weather swing is conducive to Stove temp - In other words, if the weather goes from cold to colder, stove temp will allow the house to cool thus using "less pellets". Now, if the weather goes from cold to warm, Stove temp will tend to overheat the room and waste pellets, even though useage is similar. Either scenario, pellet usage will vary because the stove temp will work harder when it cools down since it's trying to maintain a constant ESP temp. So each variable has its own set of variables... Clear as mud, huh.

Room temp will handle the swings without overcooling or overheating the room. If the stove is running fine, heat loss of your house and specific pellet BTU content will determine pellet usage by the stove. The efficiency of the stove won't change much either way. Like I said, no majic. The ESP control really is amazing. It will even account for extra cooling/heating of the heat exchanger with the distribution fan speed you select.


You really seem to know a lot about these stoves, so I appreciate all your input and advice. I ran on stove temp 4 during the day when we were at work to just maintain temp. I knew that it was going to get cooler overnight and bumped up the setting to 5. It really didn't seem to help at all. Like I stated, I am trying to keep the upstairs warm along with the basement. I took the room sensing probe out from underneath the air intake and put it away from the stove. Do you think I would be better off just running on Room Temp then? Also, I know that my installer didn't record the low/high draft upon install. Is that something I should have him come back and do or don't you feel as it would be necessary? He just ran a chimney liner 25 ft up the chimney. No OAK or insulation. Thanks again for all your help.

I've noticed that when you run on stove temp the farther you turn the dial the less the temperature increases proportionately. So I dial change from 3 to 4 has a greater impact on temperature then and I'll change from 4 to 5. I think they do this to prevent people from turning the temperature too high and overheating the space when they're not home. Since you are trying to heat 2 levels with a space heater, it's hard for me to tell you exactly the best way to run your stove, I can only help you understand the differences between each setting. You'll need to experiment with the settings to see what's best. Ironically, my stove is in the basement as well. However, my goal is not to drive a lot of heat upstairs since I have a wood stove up there. If it helps, I only run my stove on room temp ignitor switch set to manual. I keep my basement temperature at 72 degrees 24/7 and I burn about 1 bag a day for 1200 square feet, lower level only.

Relative to draft, is your flame really pointy and angry or is it more like a traditional fire? This is best determined during a medium burn. If it is angry, then you might need to restrict the air intake by covering about 1/3rd with aluminum tape. If this makes the flames less angry but not lazy ben your draft might be a little high. My stove seems to burn clean with the air intake covered at 50 percent. You can use your hands to cover the air intake and see how the flame changes as you cover more or less of the air intake. You want a vibrant flame but not an angry flame nor do you want see what looks like black tips on the flames which would indicate a dirty burn.

I seem to be having better luck with the room temp, so I am going to stick to that. I am only burning about 2 bags a day, so that's not bad considering it's heating my upstairs and basement. As far as the flame, it is really high when it's going full bore trying to get back up to temperature.
The flame is really high, but it doesn't seem to be pointy. I know that the stove is not starved for air as it burns really well. I do have a lost of ash buildup and discoloration on the decorative compass, but I think that's normal. Auto mode in room temp will have more wear and tear on the ignitor?? Manual will go into more of a maintenance burn to keep the flame going??
 
bee_2102 said:
lbcynya said:
bee_2102 said:
lbcynya said:
Haha, do you realize you said it doesn't seem to throw as much heat on Stove temp, but it used less pellets. No magic, less heat means less pellets.

Stove temp will only give you the perception of using less pellets if the weather swing is conducive to Stove temp - In other words, if the weather goes from cold to colder, stove temp will allow the house to cool thus using "less pellets". Now, if the weather goes from cold to warm, Stove temp will tend to overheat the room and waste pellets, even though useage is similar. Either scenario, pellet usage will vary because the stove temp will work harder when it cools down since it's trying to maintain a constant ESP temp. So each variable has its own set of variables... Clear as mud, huh.

Room temp will handle the swings without overcooling or overheating the room. If the stove is running fine, heat loss of your house and specific pellet BTU content will determine pellet usage by the stove. The efficiency of the stove won't change much either way. Like I said, no majic. The ESP control really is amazing. It will even account for extra cooling/heating of the heat exchanger with the distribution fan speed you select.


You really seem to know a lot about these stoves, so I appreciate all your input and advice. I ran on stove temp 4 during the day when we were at work to just maintain temp. I knew that it was going to get cooler overnight and bumped up the setting to 5. It really didn't seem to help at all. Like I stated, I am trying to keep the upstairs warm along with the basement. I took the room sensing probe out from underneath the air intake and put it away from the stove. Do you think I would be better off just running on Room Temp then? Also, I know that my installer didn't record the low/high draft upon install. Is that something I should have him come back and do or don't you feel as it would be necessary? He just ran a chimney liner 25 ft up the chimney. No OAK or insulation. Thanks again for all your help.

I've noticed that when you run on stove temp the farther you turn the dial the less the temperature increases proportionately. So I dial change from 3 to 4 has a greater impact on temperature then and I'll change from 4 to 5. I think they do this to prevent people from turning the temperature too high and overheating the space when they're not home. Since you are trying to heat 2 levels with a space heater, it's hard for me to tell you exactly the best way to run your stove, I can only help you understand the differences between each setting. You'll need to experiment with the settings to see what's best. Ironically, my stove is in the basement as well. However, my goal is not to drive a lot of heat upstairs since I have a wood stove up there. If it helps, I only run my stove on room temp ignitor switch set to manual. I keep my basement temperature at 72 degrees 24/7 and I burn about 1 bag a day for 1200 square feet, lower level only.

Relative to draft, is your flame really pointy and angry or is it more like a traditional fire? This is best determined during a medium burn. If it is angry, then you might need to restrict the air intake by covering about 1/3rd with aluminum tape. If this makes the flames less angry but not lazy ben your draft might be a little high. My stove seems to burn clean with the air intake covered at 50 percent. You can use your hands to cover the air intake and see how the flame changes as you cover more or less of the air intake. You want a vibrant flame but not an angry flame nor do you want see what looks like black tips on the flames which would indicate a dirty burn.

I seem to be having better luck with the room temp, so I am going to stick to that. I am only burning about 2 bags a day, so that's not bad considering it's heating my upstairs and basement. As far as the flame, it is really high when it's going full bore trying to get back up to temperature.
The flame is really high, but it doesn't seem to be pointy. I know that the stove is not starved for air as it burns really well. I do have a lost of ash buildup and discoloration on the decorative compass, but I think that's normal. Auto mode in room temp will have more wear and tear on the ignitor?? Manual will go into more of a maintenance burn to keep the flame going??

Yep, auto will use the igniter every cold start, so yes it will contribute to wear. IMO, in the winter, set the switch to manual since you a l w a y s need heat, so keep the stove warm between calls for heat. During shoulder seasons, I might try Auto, but, then again, I can just shut the stove off when not occupied since it's not a primary living space. When it's in the 50's, things can heat up quick enough. Just depends on your situation.
 
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