single black pipe length limits

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HighHeat22

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Sep 29, 2011
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southern michigan
I am having problems with low stove top temps on my stove. I can not get over 400 degrees.

Oldspark from forum has told me that single wall black pipe should not be run over 8 ft.. That much of a single wall pipe will reduce the temp of the chimney and the draft.

I have 15 ft of single run inside and 12 ft of double stainless up top.

Can anyone else chime in with more info on this problem.
 
First: Do you have an in-line damper in the stack?
You're about 5 feet OVER the length where one
is recommended (22 feet total).
Second: What is the moisture content of your wood?
 
Too much single wall pipe could be a contributing factor as oldspark mentioned but other problems w/ a long run of indoor piping can be air leaks at joints which can reduce draft. The most common cause of low stove top temps however is underseasoned firewood or poor technique when loading and operating the stove.

That's a pretty tall chimney. If the problem is solely single wall pipe I'd be surprised (unless they are leaking badly as I mentioned).

Here are a few links regarding low stove top temps I'd suggest you look through.

https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/60911/

https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/61361/

https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/45808/

https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/43191/

https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/33879/

https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/14236/

https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/65165/

https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/43242/
 
Yes, I have an inline damper about 2 1/2 ft ( 30 inches ) above the stove and I use.

Wood supply is around 16 to 18 %.

I also got a load of oak from a friend and tried and had same results low stove top temp.

I checked and sealed up 4 small leaks at joints of pipe.
 
You burn this thing 24/7 so that you load up on hot coals or are you starting a lot of fires from a cold stove and letting it go out?

Are you loading the stove right up w/ wood? Are you loading the stove in cycles or putting a log or 2 in every now and again?

Have you tried running w/ the pipe damper wide open or do you close it all the time?

Are you completely closing your air control? Leaving it wide open? Somewhere inbetween?

Is your firewood mostly rounds or is it mostly splits?

pen
 
It depends on temps outside and who is home and for how long.

I sometimes run 24/7 and sometimes let go out if daytime temps are high enough and start again in early evening. Sometimes during the day I might only throw 2 or 3 splits on to keep going till later then will load up good for evening.

Yes, I have tried using the damper all the way open and different degrees of closed.

I have not with a full load going strong been able to get my stove top over 400 degrees no matter what I do and have tried different type of wood and loading techniques n/s and e/w.

I mentioned to oldspark I keep air at about 25% or any lower and the glass will dirty up.

I am mistified. I have brought this issue up before on forum. I know sounds like wood supply or fuel problem. But this 8 ft limit on single black pipe is a new one.
 
As many have mentioned the single wall may or may not be a big part of the problem, do you monitor flue temps?
 
Trust your thermometer? Where do you have it on the stove top?

pen
 
That long of a single wall pipe run, while not ideal, wouldnt be the first thing I would be looking at. Pen's suggestion may be the simplest and cheapest thing to check first. Without knowing anything aside from the chimney direction and length, I would predict that with seasoned wood and a decent stove that getting a good surface temp would pretty easy.
 
A run of single wall over 8 ft is not recommended. Some stove makers are more adamant about this in their docs than others. With the already cool stove temps there is a possibility that you are getting buildup exagerated by this long heat sink of a pipe. When was the flue last cleaned?
 
Seen pics of very long stove pipe installs recently and owner isn't having any issues. I would believe if room is up to temp then draft would not be affected. And since heat rises upper area of room would be warmest and pipe should be warm too.
 
It can be a mistake to apply one observation toward another unless they are identical setups. And there are no two setups that are identical. Many aren't even similar.
 
HighHeat22 said:
Wood supply is around 16 to 18 %.

Is that reading inside of a fresh split, or outside of one? If it is an outside reading (which will probably mean 20%+ on the inside), I'm going to say that is probably contributing to your low temps.
 
Easy enough to rule out the wood, get some construction lumber and have at it. Make sure you keep an eye on the temps cause it might get hot in a hurry.
 
Or get some Ecobricks. Lumber or bricks I agree with Oldspark that will take fuel out of the equation.
 
I looked up his old post about this, his wood is 2 years old c/s/s and 14 to 16% on a fresh split so I dont think its the wood.
 
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