New York State and OWBs/Woodmaster

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velvetfoot

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A friend just sent me a link on NYS DEC requirements for new OWBs. I didn't realize they needed to have an 18' stack and a setback and they say you may only install DEC-certified models:
http://www.dec.ny.gov/chemical/73694.html

It looks like Woodmaster tops the list for low emissions. Is that a gasification unit? Or does a unit not necessarily have to be a gasifier to burn clean?

Whatever, the list looks short to me. What if you put a gasifier in a shed? Would that be an outdoor boiler? Anything goes if it's installed in the house?

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All of the cord wood models are gassers. As far as the pellet burners being gassers- well, that's probably another thread in and of itself.
Most OWB gassers can be put in a shed, as well as indoors. They have certain clearance specifications just like all boilers.
 
martyinmi said:
All of the cord wood models are gassers. As far as the pellet burners being gassers- well, that's probably another thread in and of itself.
Most OWB gassers can be put in a shed, as well as indoors. They have certain clearance specifications just like all boilers.
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I think they need to be UL listed for indoor installation. The clearance specs probably dont matter if its not tested to be installed indoors.

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I can only speak for P&M when I say they are. I'd be willing to bet that all of the others are also. It would seem redundant to spend huge amounts of money to have a unit tested with the EPA and not jump through the necessary hoops to have it UL listed also.
 
Not sure if the European models have the normal certifications "required" in the states....many times they are similar in concept, usually more demanding in scope, but not "the same stamp".....
 
No WoodMaster outdoor boilers are not gasifiers
 
But, they're number one on NYS DEC's list of certified OWB's, as far as particulate emissions?
In my head, I'm equating emissions with efficiency. I thought a gassifier would've been required for that.
 
As has been discussed on here many times, the tests are not accurate. From what I understand it is a good OWB more efficient than some of the other OWB but does not compare to a good gasser, meaning it is going to burn more wood. I don't think
you will get the longevity out of it as you would a closed system. If you read some of the posts at the OWB forums I think you
will get the same impression.
 
See Stewi5's current thread....brown baby and something....looks like a woodmaster gasser there....
 
bpirger , you're right that is a gasifier in Stewi5 post . I hadn't clicked on the OP's link before but like Stewi5 has the 30KW model they are refering to in the link , but it's not an OWB .
 
The model # they're showing is for the FlexFuel .
 
My guess for that is that it is a wood burning thing, other than a "wood stove", and I think they are all going to be "controlled" by a similar vision. Woodstoves and maybe indoor furnaces might be different, but if it uses water....

Some folks put the old "smoke dragon" style OWB in a shed...and claim it isn't an OWB any more. So when people abuse something, then something has to change. Hmmm, why doesn't this apply to wall street? Oh yeah, they have more money....silly me.
 
The 30 and 60kw models can be used either indoor or outdoor. They do recommend a roof to protect them from the elements if used outdoors. Pro Fab and P&M offer indoor units that may also be used outdoors providing they are not exposed directly to the elements.
 
In my town, if it's not installed in the primary building that it's heating then it's an outdoor boiler" Technically my gasser is an OWB an so must comlpy with all of the rules for OWBs- chimney height , set back, spring shut off etc.
Our town law was modeled after some other towns law, so there probably is a lot of this type of language out there.
 
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