I am in the same boat. I do not want to touch the good stuff now that I have accepted a season of shoulder season temps. Just picked up 15 bags of propellets, so I don't have to touch the good pellets.j-takeman said:
I heated my house for $395 this season!
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our therm rate here on PSE is 1.30 a therm and average use customer is 160 therms a month. I dont see how NG can be cheaper than wood pellets. even if I use 3 ton per season at 200/ton i think i am ahead.
Harman Lover 007 said:naehring2000 said:JoeS said:
You're right, and that was one of the main reasons I held off on a wood or pellet stove.... until 2010 when national grid jacked their price per therm during the prime months Nov-Apr. from roughly .78 a therm to almost $2.00
NGRID always changes their rate in the winter months. You need to double check your rate and make sure you are not being charged a different rate for some reason. I am a NGRID customer here on the North Shore with you and I am paying $1.24/ therm. I actually think it is less than that but I need to look at my bill.
In 2010, the rate went from .75/therm to $1.39/therm assuming you heat your home with NG.
My bill for Feb '12 had a rate of $1.59 a therm. At that rate and comparing it to my only Feb. in this house using NG, this month alone would have cost me $429.30
Harman Lover 007
Minister of Fire
naehring2000 said:Harman Lover 007 said:naehring2000 said:JoeS said:
You're right, and that was one of the main reasons I held off on a wood or pellet stove.... until 2010 when national grid jacked their price per therm during the prime months Nov-Apr. from roughly .78 a therm to almost $2.00
NGRID always changes their rate in the winter months. You need to double check your rate and make sure you are not being charged a different rate for some reason. I am a NGRID customer here on the North Shore with you and I am paying $1.24/ therm. I actually think it is less than that but I need to look at my bill.
In 2010, the rate went from .75/therm to $1.39/therm assuming you heat your home with NG.
My bill for Feb '12 had a rate of $1.59 a therm. At that rate and comparing it to my only Feb. in this house using NG, this month alone would have cost me $429.30
To be fair, Feb 2011 was much colder than Feb 2012. How many therms did you use in Feb 2012?
slls
Minister of Fire
Just the other day I figured my cost for pellets this year $400, your cost about same. Oil, very little, maybe 20-25 gallons.
Northwoodneil
Feeling the Heat
3 ton gone as of today (started Oct 1st) -$600 50 gallons of HHO - $187.50. Total $787.50 Last year 500 gallons HHO 'bout the same price $1875. :cheese:
Harman Lover 007 said:naehring2000 said:Harman Lover 007 said:naehring2000 said:JoeS said:
You're right, and that was one of the main reasons I held off on a wood or pellet stove.... until 2010 when national grid jacked their price per therm during the prime months Nov-Apr. from roughly .78 a therm to almost $2.00
NGRID always changes their rate in the winter months. You need to double check your rate and make sure you are not being charged a different rate for some reason. I am a NGRID customer here on the North Shore with you and I am paying $1.24/ therm. I actually think it is less than that but I need to look at my bill.
In 2010, the rate went from .75/therm to $1.39/therm assuming you heat your home with NG.
My bill for Feb '12 had a rate of $1.59 a therm. At that rate and comparing it to my only Feb. in this house using NG, this month alone would have cost me $429.30
To be fair, Feb 2011 was much colder than Feb 2012. How many therms did you use in Feb 2012?
I used 115 therms (my basement is an in law apt. which shares the furnace) and my feb 2010 therm usage was 270. I didn't use the furnace at all last year.
ChandlerR
Minister of Fire
This winter has been incredible. I just finished my first ton and will probably burn another 800 pounds if I'm lucky. Pretty cool! (Actually, pretty warm!)
I bought 5 and still have 1 and 3/4 left. So Ive spent about $675 so far. $135 a month beats the hell outta propane. Finger to the propane man!!
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Snowy Rivers
Minister of Fire
Well since refilling all the barrels with shells last week I have plowed through one 30 gallon garbage can full and working into the second one.
SNOW is in the forcast, but it will not last long this time of year.
Another month and we should be down to using the small stove and then by the end of April we should be into a more on again off again useage.
This winter has not been nearly as bad as it could have been, for sure.
We did not have any bitter cold arctic outbreaks, so that is good.
Snowy
SNOW is in the forcast, but it will not last long this time of year.
Another month and we should be down to using the small stove and then by the end of April we should be into a more on again off again useage.
This winter has not been nearly as bad as it could have been, for sure.
We did not have any bitter cold arctic outbreaks, so that is good.
Snowy
you live in the warm banna belt there Snowy :0 we use NG for the tankless waterheater, and its a big commercial model, useage has dropped 75% for us and used 17 bags shy of 2 ton since oct. will have to get another ton.
i'm trying to avoid buying another ton, storage will be at a premium this summer as I will be building my garage so I need my pellet space for lumber!
I didn't buy more than 20 bags of pelelts this year it was so mild. I was late buying by the ton and just never got around to it as mild as the weather stayed. I burned 2 tons last year to supplement the heat pump even though it is a 15.5 seer 10.5hspf rating I try to keep the strips off.
I will probably buy 3 tons next year as electric rates are going up next month due to a rate increase.
I will probably buy 3 tons next year as electric rates are going up next month due to a rate increase.
Harman Lover 007
Minister of Fire
Snowy Rivers said:
Snowy,
Do the shells absorb any moisture over the summer while stored in your barrels?
slls
Minister of Fire
naehring2000 said:
Build it big enough, so you won't keep cars outside. I built mine 28X32, so cars stay in.
slls said:
I'm backed up to a retaining wall and limited by property line setbacks so i'm pretty much handcuffed, 18x20 is as big as I can go.
JoeS said:
Well my NG costs me 15.90 per million btu and my pellets cost me 10.68 per million btu (price for current ton) even if I was paying 1.25 per therm I would still come out on top albeit not by much.
Harman Lover 007
Minister of Fire
naehring2000 said:
Assuming your pellet stove and gas furnace/boiler are both 80% efficient, the exact price match for pellets vs NG is $15.24 per Mil/btus. Your NG therm price would be $1.25 and your ton price for pellets would be $200. We are obviously using different calculators. In order to get down to the $10.68 you would have to be buying your pellets for less than $150/ton. The calculator I have used in the past is here.. http://pelletheat.org/pellets/compare-fuel-costs/
Harman Lover 007 said:
Assuming Both are 80% efficient (I believe the accentra is 87%) but assuming they are 80%, according to your calculator I am ahead by 5.83 per mill/btu using pellets.
Anyone else want to try to piss in my cheerios?
proof is in the house I have a 95% effecient trane NG furncae with heatpump... I have just measured em also 21 ft high vaulted ceilings for 1240 sqft and normal ceiling height on the other almost 1100 sqft. heavy insulaton ceiling and floors and good as you can go on 2.6 construction walls. everything doublepane and sealed. house feels cold at 70 on the t stat with gas... house on pellet stove on low same t stat 70 is warm comfortable, and we do not use the furnace at all anytime period.....PSE says our NG price per therm is 1.39 i think it was and monthly bill was high. 30 days 30 bags with a high base of 200 a ton is 4.179999 a day and .17998989 an hour for heat. you can not run NG constant for anywhere close to that. I dont eat cheerios so your not gonna bother me with a biased NG proane electric calculator, they want you to use those fuels.
Harman Lover 007
Minister of Fire
naehring2000 said:
I don't eat cheerios and I'm not trying to make you feel that I am pissing on yours. I was just trying to show you, that first of all, NGRID is charging you too much per therm. You can do what you want with that, but as I said earlier, I'm on the NS of Mass and I pay $1.30/therm. Earlier is this thread you were stating that NGRID jacked your price to nearly $2.00. You pay $1.59, so yes, your disparity between NG and pellets is different. It appeared to me that you might have been overstating your savings of NG vs pellets. All I'm saying now is if you are paying $1.59/therm, you must have paid $185/ton for your pellets to get to the $5+ per therm savings that you are touting. That in fact, is very doable if you buy your pellets at the right time.
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