Hickory should have a warning!

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TradEddie

Minister of Fire
Jan 24, 2012
981
SE PA
To cut a long story short, I’ve got a new Lopi Freedom insert and unseasoned wood. I’ve got oak that was felled and split last Spring, and hickory that was felled in Spring but not split until October. The first few weekends with my new insert used up the end of my seasoned supply, and while the new oak was surprisingly down to 22-25%, it was clearly not burning well. I tried to find some hickory that I’d split early, but the best I could find was still at 22%, no better than the oak, but I thought I’d give it a try.

I laid two medium (4-5â€) splits on the coals, cracked the door for a few minutes, closed the bypass, and reduced the air to within 3/4†of closed, the same pattern I’d found worked well with the last of the seasoned oak. I watched yellow flames catch the logs and thought that this looks like poplar, pretty but probably wasn’t going to make much heat or last very long.

Fifteen minutes later, I came back into the kitchen and a wall of heat hit me in the face, the stovetop was at 700 and judging by the expansion sounds, still climbing fast. I shut the air off and watched in panic and then delight as the temperature held steady at 650 and pumped out heat for hours more. At 11pm, I put in two more splits, let them catch and closed the air all the way. At 6:15am, the room was still 70F, the stovetop was about 200, and the glowing embers readily reignited a new split. I’m holding off on my review of the insert until I’ve used more properly seasoned wood, but it’s safe to say I’m more than happy already; I’ve got at least a cord of that hickory.

Clearly BTU’s do not tell the whole story, how fast the wood can release those BTUs may be just as important. Is this normal for hickory, are there other (hard)woods like this, and if so, how can I burn any slower?

TE
 
Oh yeah Hickory kicks ass! Grab all you can....last night I put a small-medium unsplit pice of it in the stove and was impressed with how much heat it threw-almost as much as two splits of a lesser BTU wood.

Hickory rocks!
 
predict that you will love this insert, we sure do, burns all night every night no matter what species is in it, as long as its dry hardwood. This was the 4th year heating our 2200 sqft colonial with it.
 
It may be that you just found out how to get the most out of your stove.
Hickory is often stringy. The strings help it catch fast even though it's a dense wood.
While you were off making a sandwich the stove got roaring & you closed it down at the perfect time. Voila, long hot burn with very little air.
You can do the same with any good, dense, seasoned wood. Just takes some practice. :coolsmile:
 
Black Birch is another favorite of mine... Much overlooked by folks. Oak simply takes much longer to dry out. I don't know why, but it does. Get that hickory really dry and it will be even better too... I have only burned a bit of hickory (about 1/2 cord) but I loved it. I've done about 2 cords of BB - it burned great after 1.5 years drying, and some pieces I ran into (about 5 loads of it) that got 2.5 years were even better!
 
love that hickory! have all kinds of it here in the holler.a few blowdowns that i split in 2010 and am burning now on the really cold nites.not many of them this year ,however. we heat exclusively with wood in our log cabin-about 1400 sq. ft. and a few splits of hickory heats it up quickly in the a.m. coals last for hours.have used about 35 gals. of oil to fire up the furnace from oct. until dec.then i figured out that if i use 1/2 of a small pine mountain fire starter from krogers i can fire up the splits in about 20 minutes! no more oil needed! still have about 230 gals.in the tank that i bought in sept. looks like it will be there for a long time! hope it doesn't go bad! ha.
spend about 6 mos. at our lake house in canada where i burn white and yellow birch almost exclusuvely. a little ash is also in our bush. start it with hemlock or tamarack and we have a toasty cottage all day. wish i could trade some of our canada birch for our ky hickory since the birch is a beautiful burner in the open fireplace.oh well,can't have everything. ha. enjoy your hickory! art
 
TradEddie said:
To cut a long story short, I’ve got a new Lopi Freedom insert and unseasoned wood. I’ve got oak that was felled and split last Spring, and hickory that was felled in Spring but not split until October. The first few weekends with my new insert used up the end of my seasoned supply, and while the new oak was surprisingly down to 22-25%, it was clearly not burning well. I tried to find some hickory that I’d split early, but the best I could find was still at 22%, no better than the oak, but I thought I’d give it a try.

I laid two medium (4-5â€) splits on the coals, cracked the door for a few minutes, closed the bypass, and reduced the air to within 3/4†of closed, the same pattern I’d found worked well with the last of the seasoned oak. I watched yellow flames catch the logs and thought that this looks like poplar, pretty but probably wasn’t going to make much heat or last very long.

Fifteen minutes later, I came back into the kitchen and a wall of heat hit me in the face, the stovetop was at 700 and judging by the expansion sounds, still climbing fast. I shut the air off and watched in panic and then delight as the temperature held steady at 650 and pumped out heat for hours more. At 11pm, I put in two more splits, let them catch and closed the air all the way. At 6:15am, the room was still 70F, the stovetop was about 200, and the glowing embers readily reignited a new split. I’m holding off on my review of the insert until I’ve used more properly seasoned wood, but it’s safe to say I’m more than happy already; I’ve got at least a cord of that hickory.

Clearly BTU’s do not tell the whole story, how fast the wood can release those BTUs may be just as important. Is this normal for hickory, are there other (hard)woods like this, and if so, how can I burn any slower?

TE

Eddie, you have fell for the same thing that 99.9% of all new wood burners have fell for. That is, trying to burn wood that is not ready to be burned. You will find very soon that different woods take different lengths of time to dry the same as different woods split differently. Some split so easy my wife can just give a hard stare and they split apart. Others take a few choice words and some hydraulics to split.

Regardless, drying time starts only after the wood has been split. Please re-read that last sentence. Oak is one of the best firewoods that money can buy. However, oak is also about the slowest drying wood there is. Around our place, we will not even attempt to burn oak until it has been split and stacked out in the wind for 3 years. On the other hand we also burn a good deal of soft maple. That could be cut in the winter or spring and by the following winter it would be ready to burn.

The above is why we usually recommend getting 2-3 years ahead on your wood supply. Wood needs the time. You will also find that if you give the wood time to dry that it will not only burn easier and your stove and chimney won't get so dirty, but also you will use less wood to heat your house.


Caution: Because of the wood you are burning, please be sure to check your chimney every month!!!
 
Hickory is very good and puts out very good heat. The only draw back that I have with it is the powder post beetles really like that fresh hickory. It does not stop me from cutting it though I just put up with it. I have my eye on a good sized Shagbark if the area it is in ever drys out. I would suggest trying to hang on to that Hickory for next winter and give it a chance to really dry out even if you have to scrounge some pallets or something to finish this year.
 
Backwoods Savage said:
Eddie, you have fell for the same thing that 99.9% of all new wood burners have fell for. That is, trying to burn wood that is not ready to be burned. You will find very soon that different woods take different lengths of time to dry the same as different woods split differently. Some split so easy my wife can just give a hard stare and they split apart. Others take a few choice words and some hydraulics to split.

Regardless, drying time starts only after the wood has been split. Please re-read that last sentence. Oak is one of the best firewoods that money can buy. However, oak is also about the slowest drying wood there is. Around our place, we will not even attempt to burn oak until it has been split and stacked out in the wind for 3 years. On the other hand we also burn a good deal of soft maple. That could be cut in the winter or spring and by the following winter it would be ready to burn.

The above is why we usually recommend getting 2-3 years ahead on your wood supply. Wood needs the time. You will also find that if you give the wood time to dry that it will not only burn easier and your stove and chimney won't get so dirty, but also you will use less wood to heat your house.


Caution: Because of the wood you are burning, please be sure to check your chimney every month!!!

Not new to burning wood at all, just to modern stoves. I've been burning well-seasoned oak and Maple in a Pre-EPA slammer for 8 years. I simply ran out of properly seasoned wood because of a freak snow storm in October, and also since that was the full extent of winter, I've been at home many more weekends instead of being off skiing. What surprised me is not how badly the unseasoned oak burned, but how good unseasoned hickory with the same moisture content was. Can't wait to burn both next year, hopefully I'll get more skiing, and more burning.

Already cut and stacked is almost 3 cords of oak, hickory and cherry. I only burn at weekends, so that's going to keep me going. Windfalls and maintenance cutting will add to that.

TE
 
My favorite part of hickory is walking outside and smelling the smoke. Makes my mouth water.
 
Powder post beetles, now I have a name for my bait! Actually I couldn't get a nibble with those maggoty things for some reason. Unfortunately that was the last big hickory on my property, but it's better to see that hickory going up my chimney than coming down through my roof. I'll miss those Hickory Horned Devils, (Google "Huge Green Caterpillar").

Looks this this winter that never really happened is over anyway, temps in the 60s today and tomorrow, so propane can take over from here this season.

TE
 
TE, what stove are you burning in? Can you add it to your signature?
 
I love hickory! Fortunately my woods has many Shagbarks that make wonderful, lasting heat! Enjoy 'em while you got 'em!
 
I'm in the process of bucking out two monster Shagbarks. Wow, I am sore from humping those heavyweights out, incredible. Cant wait to burn it down the road but in the meantime...Heavy lifting ahead!
 
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