Osburn 2400 insert Install from hell Please help!

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BarryEck

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Seeking our next move; We purchase this stove a few week ago the install was a challenge. Firebox was to small took it apart and rebuilt it still very tight concerned about lack of air flow near the rear inlet holes.
The usual damper needed to be opened w/ a grinder and the smoke shelf needed to remove bricks to the lintal. We also had an offset to get the connection to the 6" S.S. flex pipe. Ordered 30' to put down the chimney which had a good draft we raised it about 6' the flue liner for the old fireplace insert is about 18" taller than the flue for the gas fired furnace. We didn't have any back drafting issues after raising the height and it is in very good condition. The 6" pipe did not slid down the chimney we went to plan B and cut it at 6' installed into the flue liner; after all that fired up the stove for the first burn seemed ok. We also could not make the connection to the stove through the 12' x12' access clean out door had to take the whole back of the chimney apart enough to fit inside to do the work.
After a few fires the stove displaces smoke into the room during the refilling process and when the burning Temp. drops. The back of the chimney is still open and understand that is cooling the pipe that connects the offset into the flue liner.
Now is my latest ISSUE loaded the stove closed the damper down and left for a few hour to find the house full of SMOKE open the damper all the way got the fire going had the windows and doors open. When opening the door to add fuel smoke is pouring out into the room.
Took the baffles down the insulation weight was not at the top center of the insulation blanket or lined up under the flue outlet. Was going to take the stove pipe out of the offset to inspect for a blockage however it was fighting my harder than it went in. We did clean the chimney before starting this process. 25 years as a licensed G.C. this project has fought me to the bitter end. Never smoked the house out before. Also shut the fan down and opened window when filling the Stove.
Please review this and advise me to correct this issue. THANK YOU
 
I don't know if I can help, but it was, like 65 around here today. That can affect draft badly. Could the end of the liner be scrunched up against something in the chimney? Maybe a chimney brush could be pushed up there and see how far it goes. If everything was cold, I have to get things going with some newspaper and an open window. I can feel the draft coming down before I reverse it.
 
velvetfoot,

Your info doesn't mention whether you're in Florida, California, Wisconsin, Ohio, ...etc. If you go to your control panel, you can at least post what state you're in. Makes a difference when you speak of local temperatures. Thanks!
 
This is not the stove, it's the installation. I'm sorry to hear that the house got filled with smoke, that is a bummer. But I am glad this did not occur when it was occupied with people sleeping.

Don't burn again in the stove until there is a proper, continuous liner from the cap to the stove. It will behave properly then and not until then.
 
Thank you for you input, yes it was warm, the wood also might not have been as dry as popcorn. as I have been reading and learning no more newspaper to start the fires. I used to use a torch and some oil soaked rags from the garage. Another thing I used to do was take the wood chips, dust bark and put into a box mix in some cooking oil for the waste oil burner and that would get the fire hot quick.
New to this site and appreciate all the advice hope to be burning for another 40 years.
 
I don't think the issue here is fire starting, though damp wood may have made the situation worse. What I suspect happened was the fire was started, air shut down on wood that was not burning well, and then the fire slowed down to the point where it could no longer updraft due to the large sectional area of the flue.

The manual is clear on this subject:

"3. LINER:
The chimney must have an acceptable 6" (152 mm) stainless steel chimney liner installed.
NOTE: The 2400 Insert is not approved for use with a positive flue connector into a masonry
flue."
 
A lot of installs are hard, maybe some guys that had a hard time can give you some tips on how to get the liner down the flue. Your going to need the liner for draft especially with an offset box.
 
Gentlemen;
Thank you very much for your input;
So that it will be clearer most of my issue is that fact that the 6" Stainless liner We still have installed only to the first liner because it would not slide down the 25' needs to be forced down and the problem is when I shifted to plan B cut the liner and ran it only inside to the first flue liner there is a break in the vacuum effect of the chimney. (Please explain what exactly is the meaning of the term Positive Flue Connector into a Masonry flue)? I also thought with the warmer weather and the back of the outside of the chimney open that also is not helping with my draft and was part of my issue also will the wood not being popcorn dry. It did work fine for the first few days with the damper mostly open all the except when the stove was getting too hot.
Can we slide a 5.5" stainless liner down the chimney and connect that to the 6" Stainless liner already installed? I think the 6" was getting hung up on the flue liners not being exactly flush and some masonry mortar sticking into the opening. I sure there is a trick of the trade to force it down however I am hung up on this learning curve.
Again Thank you all for you time, help and advice!
 
Also watch for hidden air pullers. Stove hood vent fans. Bathroom exhaust fans. Clothes dryer blowers. If your house is tight these fans can suck the smoke backwards into the house even if everything is installed correctly.
 
Others have used 5.5" liners with no problems, it is either that or bust out the terracotta so you can fit the 6" liner down. You need to have a direct connect, stove to cap. You will have to get a 5.5" to 6" converter.

A pulling cone might help get it down as well, mine was a tight fit and it helped a lot. Search the site for a homemade version.

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I also just installed an Osburn 2400. I used a 6in liner, and ran it from the stove to the chimney cap. My liner came with a 1/2in insulating wrap which I used, so I was prob just better than 7 in diameter - fitted into a 13"x13" clay tile chimney. My chimney was 24 feet and has slight bend/curve as it passes the upper floor fireplace. I tried pulling my liner down with a rope but it kept getting hung up on the curve. In some places the morter would momentarty snag it also. I was tempted to order the cap above but went the el' cheapo route and made on myself. I tied a 4inch loop in the rope and had one of my boys hold it about 12-14 inches in front of the open end of the liner. I used some heavy duct tape, and ran it from the end of the liner, out through the loop, then back to the opposite side of the liner. I kept going around like that until it more or less resembled a cone. When I tried it inserting the liner again using my new "duct tape pulling cone" I got it down. Pulled off the duct tape and attached the liner. If your fit is tight I'm not sure the pulling cone above would work - maybe a duct tape pulling cone could help. Best of luck.
 
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