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I have really been pleased with mine in just the few weeks I have had it the only time it really smokes is when I first load it and wet wood smokes alot bit my dry wood smokes very little if at all, the dealer told me to use used motor oil to start it and boy does that make it smoke and shoot flames out the stack but like I said I am more or less experimenting with it till I figure it out
 
I am going to just start it from now on like my indoor wood burner but I don't care if they get a bad rap I have already seen some of the effects of how you start it and what you burn in it
 
walkerdogman85 said:
I am going to just start it from now on like my indoor wood burner but I don't care if they get a bad rap I have already seen some of the effects of how you start it and what you burn in it
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i sell outdoor wood boilers in Vermont as of 2007 epa phase 1 kicked in and in 2010 phase 2 they are very strict and we are now limited on brands available in Vermont a lot of other staes are following so be sure to check your local codes.they are very expensive our Portage and main units retail for 13,500.00 plus delivery if more than 25 miles from our store.thes new gasifiers are confusing one of the best ways to scope out a new wood boiler is to find out ita average 8-hour btu output.somear a lot less than you would expect.a good website for info is here http://www.vtwoodsmoke.org/VTregl.html for vermont and here for elsewhere and btu output http://www.epa.gov/burnwise/owhhlist.html
these newer units are way more efficient and use 30 to 50 percent less wood if currently using and older non epa boiler.
i have solde many boilers over the last 5 years at first mainly Pro-Fab 200 but no more they dont stand behind their product at all i f a customer doesnt follow the manual to the tee as far as water treatment and i have hadd 4 leak in the last year,Portages and Main units very nice and this year the opt-350 will be able to be sold in Vt will post back when/if we have any problems with these but they seem very well built.
 
A friend down the road has a Hardy on his farm. He said it's nearing 20 years old, a leak was welded up a few years earlier. He said it does smoke but given his location it's not a problem. Just some honest feed back.
 
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i sell outdoor wood boilers in Vermont as of 2007 epa phase 1 kicked in and in 2010 phase 2 they are very strict and we are now limited on brands available in Vermont a lot of other staes are following so be sure to check your local codes.they are very expensive our Portage and main units retail for 13,500.00 plus delivery if more than 25 miles from our store.thes new gasifiers are confusing one of the best ways to scope out a new wood boiler is to find out ita average 8-hour btu output.somear a lot less than you would expect.a good website for info is here http://www.vtwoodsmoke.org/VTregl.html for vermont and here for elsewhere and btu output http://www.epa.gov/burnwise/owhhlist.html
these newer units are way more efficient and use 30 to 50 percent less wood if currently using and older non epa boiler.
i have solde many boilers over the last 5 years at first mainly Pro-Fab 200 but no more they dont stand behind their product at all i f a customer doesnt follow the manual to the tee as far as water treatment and i have hadd 4 leak in the last year,Portages and Main units very nice and this year the opt-350 will be able to be sold in Vt will post back when/if we have any problems with these but they seem very well built.
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Why are the outdoor gassers so much? Youcould put an indoor for quite a bit less
 
I had some insightful comments to make. . . until I realized that you went ahead and bought the Hardy. Most everything I was GOING to say is now pointless.

Please tell me why, though, would you plunk down good coin on an appliance that you know nearly nothing about, at a time of the year when you won't need it much, based on a handful of friends that have only run one design???

Though the suggestion to start it with gasoline was funny as sheetz, it might be considered a foolHardy statement. Except in this case, you appear to have had your mind made up and no amount of facts were going to confuse you. So hopefully you will likewise ignore that bit of advice.

Oh, did the dealer tell you about the tire trick?!?;)
 
the manufacturers tell us it cost them more to make and all the epa testing is very expensive.i should also point out i have sold a few indoor units such as Tarm and when all said and done they arent any less as they need a water storage system on many of their models.some nice indoor units are thr Pro-FAB Elite and the Portage and Main indoor IDM 100 and they also do not need water storage.another thing is even in Vermont there are no regulations on indoor units so you can still buy dirty burners such as New Yorker and WoodChuck and the Benjamin boilers they are much less if you dont care about the air quality in your area.
 
I guess I like the fact that it is simple. I don't see why you would want a so called gasser? I didn't want to spend the extra money for one. There are alot of hardy owb around here and I would think that there must be a reason for that. Have you had a hardy? I thought I would ask for some opinions on here but I believe that some of the opinions are all one sided but mabye I read them wrong I didn't want to start any arguments so sorry if I offended anyone.
 
LOL, it's impossible to offend me in the context of wood burning. I, on the other hand, have offended everyone here at least once. Some, several times. Theres this one chick . . . n/m::P

Likewise around me there are many CB, Hardy, AquaTherm, Heatmor and Woodmasters. I even ordered a CB once, but fortunatly for me, they never actually ordered it.

Simple is probably great in the begining. But once you experience some of the inefficiency, you'll probably want to make modifications. Those modifications are already done on some of the quality secondary combusion aka 'gassifiers' available today.

I guess my point was that you sold yourself short getting all your advice from users of one design. So many designs are representd here, you would be amazed at what you would have learned if you'd not had your 'its Hardy or ist the highway' blinders on.

Stick around though. We like to hear how other people do it here.
 
the only point i make is that here in Vermont we dont have a choice as the clean air devision has made it law that we only sell gasifiers.i do quote others in New York but they have the same thing hapening there so not much longer and all the northeast will be required and it will take years fot the lawmakers to fill all the loopholes as i have a neighbor with an ol new yorker in a shed he built and as of not there are no laws agains and it smokes like crazy.i have also found out that we can still sell the U.S.STOVE hot air outdoor furnace as it is not a boiler so not regulated.it is a crazy situation here.
 
I appreciate all the info I guess I have never seen or even heard of the gasser around I don't know of amy I know a couple central boilers and a few wood doctors and one Taylor but he don't use it. Many if we for all clean in my county ill have to switch but I more or less have to go with what I got now lol. I am sure that those other stoves are so called more efficient but I guess not to worried about it now. I just didn't want to pay for my electric furnace run all the time and my wife and I really enjoy the endless hot water.
 
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the manufacturers tell us it cost them more to make and all the epa testing is very expensive.i should also point out i have sold a few indoor units such as Tarm and when all said and done they arent any less as they need a water storage system on many of their models.some nice indoor units are thr Pro-FAB Elite and the Portage and Main indoor IDM 100 and they also do not need water storage.another thing is even in Vermont there are no regulations on indoor units so you can still buy dirty burners such as New Yorker and WoodChuck and the Benjamin boilers they are much less if you dont care about the air quality in your area.
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I guess your paying for the convience of having it all plumbed up and in a nice little package. Anyone who has the ability and desire to do a little plumbing can put an an indoor gasser a bit cheaper than $13,500. A lot of them can be run without storage but I would't recomend it. ( look at page 4 of fine tuning biomass for a pic. of one run with and without storage. You can't tell me that the outdoor type isn't the same. Just becouse they can run without storage don't mean it's the best way. I found some used tanks and did some plumbing and have a better more convienient system IMHO for less money. That includes my used propane tanks I used for storage. I did weld on them, but if you had to pay someone to weld I don't think that would add more than a couple of hundred to the bill.
 
woodsmaster said:
I guess your paying for the convience of having it all plumbed up and in a nice little package. Anyone who has the ability and desire to do a little plumbing can put an an indoor gasser a bit cheaper than $13,500. A lot of them can be run without storage but I would't recomend it. ( look at page 4 of fine tuning biomass for a pic. of one run with and without storage. You can't tell me that the outdoor type isn't the same. Just becouse they can run without storage don't mean it's the best way. I found some used tanks and did some plumbing and have a better more convienient system IMHO for less money. That includes my used propane tanks I used for storage. I did weld on them, but if you had to pay someone to weld I don't think that would add more than a couple of hundred to the bill.
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yes the indoor units i sell are approx 8000.00 and 9500.00 and do not require storage as they cycle like the outdoor units i have sold both and customers have been very happy.the main dif between these and water storage units as the unit with storage tend to be fired full tilt like to Tarms to heat the water and they feel the fast hot fire is most efficient.
 
I do like the portage and main and believe there should be a good market for it from the folks who want to plug and play. I like that the tubes are easy to clean.
 
yes both are open systems i do still have some of the Greenwood units in stock at a good price and they can be setup either way both 100,'s and 200's
 
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