Safety question on wood stove insert

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Sep 29, 2010
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Southern NH
Hi,

I was cleaning the liner today with a soot eater from the bottom, and after I was done, I decided to look up the liner. Not an easy thing to do since I have an insert, but was just curious how it looked. When the liner was installed it was a little short (I'm guessing) so they did the final connection with stove pipe. They used a 90deg at the bottom, but it is mostly just going straight up. Anyway, it looks like one of the rings (or at least that is what I'll call it) has separated from the next one. This is real hard to explain since I don't know the terminology. Anyway, it looks like it separated a bit from the next ring. I'm not certain about this, but if this did happen, is this a safety issue? The chimney is between the house and the garage and I have CO monitors in both rooms (1st floor and 2nd floor) where the chimney touches. Also, I wonder if this is separated, was it likely done when the insert was installed?

Thanks!
 
I'm sorry to hear that. Seems like they cut corners rather than doing the job right. This sounds like an adjustable elbow where one of the segments separated from the other. Is that correct? If so, this should be fixed. You don't want any leaks in the flue system, period.
 
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Be green,

Yes, that's it exactly. I'll have to take a picture and post it here. I'll also bring it to the shop that did them work.

Thanks for confirming my thoughts.
 
For sure pictures will help, especially when you take them to the place that done the install. I'd insist they fix it at their cost.
 
The 90 is not stainless. I seem to recall it was just black stove pipe. I would take a picture now, but it is about 500-600 degrees in there. I think it is supposed to warm up this week. I'll take a picture the next time the stove is cold.
 
Ask them if the use of black stove pipe in a concealed area is code compliant.
 
Ain't no adjustable elbow on the planet that can handle the heat and the weight of the liner for long. I don't care what it is made of. Much less the fact that when these jake legs do this kind of thing it is usually to twist it to a stressed position it was never intended for. I used one in an emergency but not twisted and I got it the heck out of there before the next season. And watched it like a hawk.

Makes me crazy every time I hear of one of these things by "pros".
 
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Ain't no adjustable elbow on the planet that can handle the heat and the weight of the liner for long. I don't care what it is made of. Much less the fact that when these jake legs do this kind of thing it is usually to twist it to a stressed position it was never intended for. I used one in an emergency but not twisted and I got it the heck out of there before the next season. And watched it like a hawk.

there shouldn't be much if any weight sitting on the stove/or stove adapter-elbow, the liner should be hung from above. or attached to block-off plate....

heatfab ss adj elbows are super tough and could hold up liner weight for ever
black pipe adj elbows are junk and fall apart if you look sideways at them.
 
there shouldn't be much if any weight sitting on the stove/or stove adapter-elbow, the liner should be hung from above. or attached to block-off plate....

And one in a hundred I see here are.
 
One problem with the hole in the liner is that when it is pulling air it should be pulling air only from the stove. Instead your chimney is pullling some of its air through the hole in the liner, and therefore pulling less through the stove, reducing your draft so the stove may not be working as well as it could be. Also, the air that enters the flue through the hole is cool so it is cooling the gases in the flue and this might be causing deposition of creosote.
 
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