Scrapheap challenge: ATV trailer

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ewdudley

Minister of Fire
Nov 17, 2009
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Cayuga County NY
Getting started on an ATV trailer, which hopefully will also be roadworthy for towing behind a light auto.

Planning on a 4'X6' bed with side-posts, open on both ends so 4'X8' materials can be hauled with some overhang.

Axle is salvaged from a 200x Voyager, which was chosen because it looked like it would be easy to narrow down, and it has nice mounting pads where the leaf springs used to attach.

Plus I happened to have a pair of serviceable low profile 23" OD 15" tires that are short enough to keep the surface of the bed just a little over 24".

ATV is 48" wide, axle is 52" to the outer face of the wheels.

So my questions are, how long should the tongue be, and does tongue length affect how far back the axle should be?
 

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For me, I want a long tongue simply because it makes backing up so much easier. What affects how the axle is places is the load. I've seen trailers that were built and if you put an atv on them, they are light on the tongue. That is simply wrong.
 
4X6 with a atv/deck above the tires could get a little hairy at highway speeds. You planning any suspension? None will lead to the trailer bouncing and jiving like crazy.
 
Backwoods Savage said:
For me, I want a long tongue simply because it makes backing up so much easier. What affects how the axle is places is the load. I've seen trailers that were built and if you put an atv on them, they are light on the tongue. That is simply wrong.

I don't know what you are towing it with but if the tongue is to short, it is hard to use a truck tailgate when the trailer is attached. Also, the closer to your vehicle, the harder it is to see when you have to back it up.
 
I would look at the spec sheets for some of the commercially available trailers and copy those.
 
having a longer tongue is nice for backing up but will also increase your turning radius and track of the trailer axle relative to your quad - something to think of if your on narrow trails.
 
For normal trailers the recommended is 10-15% of the total weight should be on the tongue. Once you get the trailer part built you can attach an 8' 2x4 stinger out the front. Then set a jack stand on a bathroom scale and move it along the 2x4 until you get to the spot were the weight is 10-15% of the tongue weight. That will tell you how long to make it.
 
Thank you all for the insights.

Ended up placing the axle four inches behind the center-point of a 72 inch bed. My standard log length is 66 inches so I should be able to adjust where the load is centered to get a good tongue weight.

Width will be 49 inches inside the side-posts, so it should work OK for hauling 4x8 materials with some overhang on each end.

Got everything tacked together and now am experimenting with a long tongue, trying to figure out how much shorter will work well.
 

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The one thing I love about my trailer is the sides are removable. If you are moving something super heavy its nice to not have to lift it the extra height over the sides. Something to keep in mind before you get too far into the build.
 
The one thing I love about my trailer is the sides are removable. If you are moving something super heavy its nice to not have to lift it the extra height over the sides. Something to keep in mind before you get too far into the build.
Thanks, glad you brought this up.

Since the deck kind of comes to a point on the sides, I had given up on trying to figure out a way to make the sideposts removable and was going to just weld them solid.

But now that you mention it I can go with some kind of hinged plate arrangement for the base of each post, with removable hinge pins to remove the sides completely.
 
I can go with some kind of hinged plate arrangement for the base of each post, with removable hinge pins to remove the sides completely.

That would probably work. Hinge them at the bottom where the sides meet the deck...and then at the top corner of each side put some kind of easy to remove fastener. I used a "L" bracket held on with carrige bolts and wing nuts.
 
Added hinged posts as suggested, more triangulation, and under-slung compartments for saws and gear. Left tongue long enough to clear corner of towing vehicle in tight cornering situation.
 

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Not bad EW. Actually that is one dang good job on that trailer. Overkill, just the way I like it!;)
 
Deck, doors, and lights.

First load, handles 1/3 cord over rough terrain OK.
 

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I like the under deck storage! Great job.
 
I like the under deck storage! Great job.

Thanks, it's a cross between LLigetfa's neighbor's trailer and firefighterjake's Saab rig, with a box tucked up under the back.

Gonna have to get to work and smooth out some trails, it takes a lot of abuse to get through the rough stretches without getting stuck.
 
Great job on the trailer. Has some real nice features.
Looks like it handles a heavy load just fine :)
Nice new saw, I see the green fuel cap, which model is it?
 
Very cool . . . and useful . . . under trailer storage.
 
OK i will be the one to pee in your cheerios. That rear under deck storage box is going to get mangled, I use every inch of ground clearance on my trailers just driving around my yard, forget about when they are loaded.
 
OK i will be the one to pee in your cheerios. That rear under deck storage box is going to get mangled, I use every inch of ground clearance on my trailers just driving around my yard, forget about when they are loaded.
Pfft.

I suppose it's conceivable there exists some scenario where that little ATV could be wound up headlong into some granite outcropping fast enough to rip the trailer axle out of the way, so as to get enough bite on the toolbox to do it in as well.

But I can assure you that the special brand of fool that would attempt such a stunt won't find himself operating any of my rigs any time soon no matter how much George, Jim, Jack, or J.W. is involved.
 
100_4276.JPG My trailer is between the tires & the ground clearance is about the same as your storage boxes. I've had the trailer over some rough county, on hunting trips & hauling wood over some pretty rough terrain. Haven't broke it or busted it yet.
 
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