New guy looking for stove advice.

Jags · Jun 22, 2012

I am with Rick (fossil) at this point. You have a bunch on your plate. You know your going to have a stove. You want to reuse the current flue (probably lined). Your going to do as much of the work as you can, yourself. Good enough for now. Get your room built. The stove will be one of the easy jobs. To "Prebuild" might bite you in the rear-end.

Case in point. You build your hearth floor pad. Did you build it as ember protect (because you are going to use a Quad Isle Royal) or did you build it to an R value that the Englander 30 requires. Food for thought.

GAMMA RAY · Jun 22, 2012

kilahcup said:
Is it crazy to ask if anyone can ID the stove in this photo on the extreme right?

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Looks like a Regency F2400. The stove shop I frequent has that one burning in the showroom...you can see the Regency name plate in your pic bottom left ...and your pic has a pimped out door.

kilahcup · Jun 22, 2012

OK, well... full disclosure: that picture is of my living room in PA. I like that stove, but I don't know jack about it. Since I'm never there in the winter really, I never really get a chance to evaluate it on a long term basis. I know it's not terribly old, maybe 7 or 8 years at most, and we bought it new. Don't know if it's cat/non-cat, EPA/non-EPA... I do know it can heat that house twice over, and sometimes it seems to go through quite a bit of wood. But I think I also have a tendency to load it up pretty good. I may like fire a little more than is really healthy, now that I think about it.
What's the general take on these stoves? (Regency, that is)

begreen · Jun 22, 2012

Look on the back of the stove for the UL plate. It should have the manufacturer name and model on it.

mellow · Jun 22, 2012

Regency makes a good stove. If you bought that one new in 2000 odds are it should be some phase of EPA compliant.

DexterDay · Jun 22, 2012

DexterDay said:
Regency?? Maybe............ Have you done any searches?

GAMMA RAY said:
Looks like a Regency F2400.

Ding Ding Ding...... Winner

Good job Gam

kingquad · Jun 22, 2012

If you like your current Regency, then no reason not to give them a serious look. The F2400 would be a good stove for 1400 sq ft. It has a square firebox that allows for N/S or E/W loading. Also, if the stove in your cabin is an F2400, maybe you could put it in your current house and get something lower priced for the cabin like an Englander NC-13, Drolet 1400 or 1800, or a Napoleon 1450. They are a similar size to the Regency(if it is a 2400 the NC-13 and 1400 are a little smaller), but should be up to the task and cost much less.

kilahcup · Jun 22, 2012

OK, folks, some more pictures, today's vintage. Took these about 30 minutes ago.

One of the reasons I'm thinking about stoves now is this fire damage. It's got to be repaired, and I would think it should be done before I get to the cosmetic stage of the living room. Sure, I'll work on finishing off the rest of the house first, but I just wanted to do my research on how to properly repair this mess and make it look nice.

So, here are the pictures. I will try to provide some running commentary.

First, we have the existing fireplace, close up, with the gas insert still in there.

This is the wall immediately above the fireplace with the scorching and the fire damage. The bricks on the left were, I believe, just slapped on in there to cover over and replace the wall parts that were destroyed in the fire. Fairly dead center in the image you can see a 2x4 that was pretty much charcoaled in the fire.

This is a closeup of that charcoaled 2x4. The new plywood you see was added 2 years ago after the roof was replaced. It is the floor of the attic.

The bricks that were slapped in. Very crappy job.

This is taken looking up into the old flue.

The next two shots are what was underneath the gas insert. No idea what kind of bodge-up job this is. this stuff though is what I'd like to remove so the stove can sit more into the wall.

bluedogz · Jun 22, 2012

My wife and I have our eye on a used stove that is for sale locally, but I would like to do some research on it before I do anything. It is a
Sierra Hearthstove Classic Turbo-Burn Model 2000T. Since it is an old stove (I am guessing this from the company history) I assume it to be non-catalytic.

That was me with the Turbo Burn. I tried to sell it on Craigslist for $200, finally wound up giving it away to a guy who I think needed a boat anchor. Fire was barely controllable, and real all-night burns were out of the question.

Bought my NC30 for $450, and didn't have enormous trouble finding one for that price. The NC30 heats my 2300 sf 2-story colonial without much trouble. It does love super-dry wood, but that's not much of a concern.

kilahcup · Jun 22, 2012

Oops... hit the wrong button. More pics.

Looking down into fireplace at gas insert.

This shot is up into the attic immediately above the fireplace. you can see that the fire got pretty far up in there.

Fire damage to the end of the header that crosses the width of the living room and terminates just above the fireplace.

Side view of that same header.

Standing back across the living room, looking at the fireplace.

kilahcup · Jun 22, 2012

And finally a few more...

Fire damage over the window to the left of the fireplace.

Looking up into the attic immediately over the living room. This is the part we will be vaulting.

More attic over living room

Standing with my back to the fireplace, looking at the rest of the house. To the left will be the master suite - a bedroom, bath and a WIC. to the right will be two more bedrooms, one opening to the dining room and one opening to the kitchen back on the other side of the fridge. Immediate in the foreground is basically the dining room. Distant background is the kitchen, and off to the left off the kitchen will be a small laundry room and one more bath. On the other side of the wall in background - you can see an old window opening basically dead center in the way back - there is a "three season room" that we hope to eventually enclose and make into permanent square footage. We'll see about that though.

Front of the house with the brick chimney.

Next two are the right side of the chimney. This would be where the damage would show, if it had made it outside, but the chimney looks solid from the outside.

Next two are the left side of the chimney.

kilahcup · Jun 22, 2012

OK... if you guys want to see more pictures, tell me what you'd like to see and I will take them. On the layout drawing, is a sketch sufficient or do you want to see something drawn to scale?

begreen · Jun 22, 2012

No need for more images other than a floorplan sketch. We get the picture. Please use the thumbnails for the images.

Was this disclosed on the sale of the house? Did you know this when buying the place?

kilahcup · Jun 22, 2012

It was a family transaction. Long story, but disclosure/inspection wouldn't have saved me. You didn't need to be a home inspector to know *something* was wrong with this house.

I'll post a sketch tomorrow.

Ashful · Jun 23, 2012

kilahcup said:
Joful - that setup you have in your avatar, with the doors in front of the stove... me likey.

Okay... found some pictures I took previously of that fireplace. This is the fireplace that was part of the 1773 summer kitchen until that was knocked down in 1994 to make way for the new addition you see here. Fireplace opening is 5' x 5', and fireplace is 5' deep behind the doors. Non-combustable surface in front of the stove is about 4', and mantel height is over 6'. This one is sporting a newer brick chimney outside, and may have had some of the same wood-in-chimney construction I described for one of my other fireplaces in another thread. Click on the thumbnails for bigger photos.

Below is a slightly smaller cooking fireplace in what would have been the original kitchen in the main house. They would have used this for cooking most of the year, only using the one in the summer kitchen when it was too warm to build a fire in the house. Fireplace opening is the same 5' x 5' (the tile and raised panels below the mantel are 2003 additions for the gas insert I just tore out), but depth is only 30" instead of 60". I believe there would have been an oven built thru the back of this fireplace, the rest of the oven structure standing outside the house, which is now long gone. Perhaps we'll find evidence of it as I tear out all of the new work in the coming weeks.

I am told these old cooking fireplaces all had doors so that they could be closed and used as smokers, with low smouldering fires. I'm not sure if that's true or not, but both do have rods running front to rear inside, at a 7' - 8' height from the floor. Seems they could have been used to hang large cuts of meat for smoking. We use the doors for a more practical purpose today, to pack all the stove gear away inside the fireplace during the summer months.

Crane Stoves · Jun 23, 2012

I would want to know what style house you have, the era is 1920 so this may be a few possibilities such as american 4 square, bungalow, arts and crafts, frank lloyd wright type stuff or could be tudor or revival style, etc., Because your from NJ and because i see a huge wall of Brick my guess would be Tudor Style.... assuming this is the case you now have a starting point to plan your design and products (Tudor styles are European i think old world England to be exact and their are plenty of great quality stoves which portray that style, its very smart of you to learn and get some advise like this BEFORE you start rebuilding.... most people simply run to homedepot and start buying stuff that eventually ruins their home because they do not have an overall plan or concept that gives them any "roots" or "base" by which to build from.

If your home is not a tudor style but rather an arts and crafts bungalow in which that brick wall was added in the 40's or 50's then your plan would change (for example: you would rip out that brick and build with fieldstone maybe and you would plan for a good quality stove that was NOT European design (nothing worst then seeing a Jotul sitting in a frank lloyd wright style home). most craftsmen style fireplace/stove set ups were built-in as opposed to stand out boxes with long leggs (this may be an advantage in this case because you did not like the thought of this taking up to much space in the room (some examples here http://artsandcraftshomes.com/arts-crafts-around-the-hearth/)

Good luck with great project and keep us updated with the results as they come!

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