Mineral Board or Micore sources

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I am trying to local a source for micore or mineral board. I have been checking craigslist for cubicle walls. What about drop down ceiling tiles? It looks like they have a "class A" fire rating and an r factor of 1.5. What do you think?

I was thinking of sandwiching between two cement boards, on top of plywood and tile on top.

http://colorado-ceilings.com/usg-ceiling-tiles.html
 
question would be are they capible of supporting the weight of the stove without crushing and losing the "R effectiveness" ? think about basic "R-19" insulation for an example, the insulation has such a high rating as it has a mix of both fiberglass and air and is several inches thick, if it were crushed down to remove the air spaces within it would it still retain the same insulating ability? probably not. i think i would check with the manufacturer about its structurable rigidity before going that route.
 
Hey there! The website efireplacestore.com has packs of 4 sheets (2' x 4') for $94. You migh find it on other sites as well by searching around. Good luck!
 
I was under the impression at some point Micore had a product with R score of 4. Anyone know if that is correct? And if so where can I locate that product? Thanks!!!!

Probably the most commonly available is Micore 300 Mineral Fiber Board, available in 4 foot by 8 foot sheets, typically in 1/2 inch thickness. The R value for this product is 1.03 for 1/2 inch, or 2.06 per inch. There may be, but I do not know of a Micore product having an R value of 4, other than stacking four 1/2 inch sheets.

See: http://www.usg.com/rc/data-submitta...ineral-fiber-board-300-submittal-en-IW803.pdf

I bought my Micore (1 full sheet for making a hearth extension) from a building supply house that specializes in USG products - wallboard, joint compound, etc. This won't help you much because it's located in Salt Lake City. Look for a local supply house that specializes in sheetrock products.

Good luck with your search...
 
Probably the most commonly available is Micore 300 Mineral Fiber Board, available in 4 foot by 8 foot sheets, typically in 1/2 inch thickness. The R value for this product is 1.03 for 1/2 inch, or 2.06 per inch. There may be, but I do not know of a Micore product having an R value of 4, other than stacking four 1/2 inch sheets.

See: http://www.usg.com/rc/data-submitta...ineral-fiber-board-300-submittal-en-IW803.pdf

I bought my Micore (1 full sheet for making a hearth extension) from a building supply house that specializes in USG products - wallboard, joint compound, etc. This won't help you much because it's located in Salt Lake City. Look for a local supply house that specializes in sheetrock products.

Good luck with your search...

Thanks, Eaglecraft! I got some bad information when I called Englander with questions about the hearth for the new heater and the Rvalues for Micore was part of that...sure glad to clear it up...now just need to find a couple sheets!
 
Probably the most commonly available is Micore 300 Mineral Fiber Board, available in 4 foot by 8 foot sheets, typically in 1/2 inch thickness. The R value for this product is 1.03 for 1/2 inch, or 2.06 per inch. There may be, but I do not know of a Micore product having an R value of 4, other than stacking four 1/2 inch sheets.

See: http://www.usg.com/rc/data-submitta...ineral-fiber-board-300-submittal-en-IW803.pdf


I bought my Micore (1 full sheet for making a hearth extension) from a building supply house that specializes in USG products - wallboard, joint compound, etc. This won't help you much because it's located in Salt Lake City. Look for a local supply house that specializes in sheetrock products.

Good luck with your search...

I was able to find Micore 300 from Sears online with free shipping. After days of trying to find it local (central Alabama) and determination not to pay high shipping I was ok with the $98 for 4 boards. I did have a few other questions. If I need to ask in another thread, let me know...not exactly sure how that works here yet. 1) My hearth is 42" x 42" with a required r value or '2'. With these dimensions will have to cut the micore. What is best way to cut? And can I just lay the pieces next to each other to yield the 42" sq or do I need to use anything to bind the seams? 2) My plan is 2 1/2" micore boards, followed by durock, thinset and tile. Do I need to prep the floor (wood floor) or can I lay the micore directly on it? Do I need to thinset between the two layers of micore? or between the micore and the durock? Any help or suggestions is greatly appreciated!
 
I was able to find Micore 300 from Sears online with free shipping. After days of trying to find it local (central Alabama) and determination not to pay high shipping I was ok with the $98 for 4 boards. I did have a few other questions. If I need to ask in another thread, let me know...not exactly sure how that works here yet. 1) My hearth is 42" x 42" with a required r value or '2'. With these dimensions will have to cut the micore. What is best way to cut?

Put down a piece of plywood or other substrate that you don't mind scoring and place the Micore on top of that. Put a straightedge on the Micore - sheetrock ruler - long level - 2 X4 - whatever - and use a utility knife to cut the Micore.

And can I just lay the pieces next to each other to yield the 42" sq or do I need to use anything to bind the seams? Yes and no need to bind the seams

2) My plan is 2 1/2" micore boards, followed by durock, thinset and tile. Do I need to prep the floor (wood floor) or can I lay the micore directly on it? No, not necessarily. But I put down one sheet of 26 gauge of sheet metal on top of my subfloor. This was to stop air intrusion, bugs and rodents (we live in the sticks).

Do I need to thinset between the two layers of micore? No.

or between the micore and the durock? No to the thinset on top of the Micore. I put a piece of 1/4 powder coated steel right on top of my Micore. That was my finish substrate.

If you plan to put tile on top of the Durock then you will need a way to minimize movement or otherwise the grout and/or the tile may crack. Most folks will use Durock screws through the Durock - through the Micore - and into the subfloor. That will keep the stack from moving.

Any help or suggestions is greatly appreciated!

Good luck
 
I was able to find Micore 300 from Sears online with free shipping. After days of trying to find it local (central Alabama) and determination not to pay high shipping I was ok with the $98 for 4 boards. I did have a few other questions. If I need to ask in another thread, let me know...not exactly sure how that works here yet. 1) My hearth is 42" x 42" with a required r value or '2'. With these dimensions will have to cut the micore. What is best way to cut? And can I just lay the pieces next to each other to yield the 42" sq or do I need to use anything to bind the seams? 2) My plan is 2 1/2" micore boards, followed by durock, thinset and tile. Do I need to prep the floor (wood floor) or can I lay the micore directly on it? Do I need to thinset between the two layers of micore? or between the micore and the durock? Any help or suggestions is greatly appreciated!


I can tell you what I did, that seems to work

First of all, cut the micore with a knife, not a saw, you do not want to breathe in the fibers. The docs at efireplace say you can mortar the tile directly to the micore ( I did not)

I lay down a layer of aluminum flashing to even out heat that gets throught the insulating layer. This was followed by a 1/2 in of micore and 1/2 in of durock next gen. The micore was secured to the underlayment with short durock screws , 8 in on center. The durock was secured to the underlayment with long durock screws, 4 inch on center, that reached all the way to the plywood subfloor. No glue was used between

My tile guy just laid the pieces next to one another, making sure the seams on one layer did not overlap the seams below. The efireplace site says to use furnace cement in the seams of the micore (I did not) . The tile places make a big deal of taping the durock so as to avoid cracks ( this is more a problem with walls). The tile guy tells me he laid down a skin coat on the durock.

Taping a hearth floor, is, in part , a method to avoid hot embers falling through cracks in the tile/fiber/cement board onto the wood below. If you've got a metal sheet on the bottom, this takes care of the 'ember fall through" problem

Finally, to add strength to the mortar layer he used 1/4' hardware cloth (metal screen). The mortar and grout itself was called flexbond an polyblend, which has polymers that make it hold a bit better under bending. If your grout lines are 1/4"in or more, you want to uses sanded grout for strength

You can lay the micore directly on the floor. In my case the sheets were edged on the side by the floor and subfloor. If you lay it on top of an existing floor, I'd use a wood trim to keep the edges from fraying


HTH

--G
 
I can tell you what I did, that seems to work

First of all, cut the micore with a knife, not a saw, you do not want to breathe in the fibers. The docs at efireplace say you can mortar the tile directly to the micore ( I did not)

I lay down a layer of aluminum flashing to even out heat that gets throught the insulating layer. This was followed by a 1/2 in of micore and 1/2 in of durock next gen. The micore was secured to the underlayment with short durock screws , 8 in on center. The durock was secured to the underlayment with long durock screws, 4 inch on center, that reached all the way to the plywood subfloor. No glue was used between

My tile guy just laid the pieces next to one another, making sure the seams on one layer did not overlap the seams below. The efireplace site says to use furnace cement in the seams of the micore (I did not) . The tile places make a big deal of taping the durock so as to avoid cracks ( this is more a problem with walls). The tile guy tells me he laid down a skin coat on the durock.

Taping a hearth floor, is, in part , a method to avoid hot embers falling through cracks in the tile/fiber/cement board onto the wood below. If you've got a metal sheet on the bottom, this takes care of the 'ember fall through" problem

Finally, to add strength to the mortar layer he used 1/4' hardware cloth (metal screen). The mortar and grout itself was called flexbond an polyblend, which has polymers that make it hold a bit better under bending. If your grout lines are 1/4"in or more, you want to uses sanded grout for strength

You can lay the micore directly on the floor. In my case the sheets were edged on the side by the floor and subfloor. If you lay it on top of an existing floor, I'd use a wood trim to keep the edges from fraying


HTH

--G
Was so happy when I go online today and saw this. Such a great help! I do have some questions just to be sure I am understanding completely.
1) I liked the idea of placing the aluminum flashing down first. In our case it would go directly onto our hardwood floor. Is their any certain type to purchase? I have never used it before. And do I secure it to the floor?
2) I appreciate you tip of not sawing the Micore! And I will sure lay the pieces next to one another, making sure the seams on one layer did not overlap the seams below. In my case that will be two 1/2" layers of Micore. Will I secure the two layers to each other with the Durarock screws? And I don't quite understand about the 1/2 in on the micore and the durarock.
3) If I am understanding correctly I would then place the durarock with no glue between it and Micore and was secured in center with 4" nails between it and micore layers. Any 'rules' about using drill to get those in or just business as usual?
4) You mentioned the tile guy did a skincoat on the Durarock. Are you referring to a layer of thinset and is it what he used to secure the tile?
5) Did you have to do any wall protection?

Many thanks!!!
 
Look around your area for refractory service companies, ( these co. build and repair heat treat furnaces and kilns)
 
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