All fuel fired appliances now require the presence of a carbon monoxide sdetector within the room of the appliance and stairway protection to the above bedrooms.
In Ma this is not optional but manaditory
In Ma this is not optional but manaditory
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ourhouse
Minister of Fire
Roospike
New Member
Thanks ole' ELKer ! You just reminded me to put my new 9v batteries in my 3 Carbon Monoxide detectors and my 4 smoke alarms.
Hows that saying go Elker .........
"Better Safe than Sorry"
Hows that saying go Elker .........
"Better Safe than Sorry"
Gunner
New Member
They were required as of April 2006.. The state board reminded us to check for them, with any fuel burning appliance replacement or new instalation. Plus every home sold, requires a Carbon monoxide compliance certificate, issued by the fire dept
Xena
Minister of Fire
All fuel fired appliances?
Or just all wood stoves?
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Or just all wood stoves?
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No house should be with out one,actually several of them, regaurdless of the fuel used to heat the home. Even house with electric heat should have them
Carbon monoxide is an oderless, silent killer.
Today you can go into a local home center and purchase an in-exspencive unit.
Put some in your home today!
Carbon monoxide is an oderless, silent killer.
Today you can go into a local home center and purchase an in-exspencive unit.
Put some in your home today!
babalu87
New Member
For the $20 it costs to buy one why even ask about requirements?
Since our house is an open fist floor plan we put it in the hall at the top of the basement stairs.
Covers the gas stove, boiler and woodstove in one shot.
I now need to replace the fire alarm at the bottom of the stairs that goes off every time I open the stove or burn toast
Since our house is an open fist floor plan we put it in the hall at the top of the basement stairs.
Covers the gas stove, boiler and woodstove in one shot.
I now need to replace the fire alarm at the bottom of the stairs that goes off every time I open the stove or burn toast
Mike Wilson
New Member
Definitely something that should be a requirement elsewhere. If you're burning in the home, CO is always a risk. Don't look for blue fingernails, go spend 30 bucks at Costco and pick up a few CO detectors.
-- Mike
-- Mike
Gunner
New Member
Some people wrongly put them in the basement or next to the appliance. It is recommended that the detector be placed outside the sleeping area, so it will be easily heard at night, during the day you are more likely to be aware of the symptoms and also here the detector sound. CO is roughly the same density as air so it will be present in all levels of the house. Get one that gives you a readout in PPM.
A "decent" CO2 detector is going to run you $40-50. The cheaper ones are junk. And the plug-in ones, if mounted in a typical wall receptacle (16" or so off the floor) are useless too.
Speaking from experience, a CO2 detector can save your life - especially during your "overnight burns"...
Speaking from experience, a CO2 detector can save your life - especially during your "overnight burns"...
Gunner
New Member
recppd said:
I have a nice Kidde digital display co2 detector. What is wrong with using the wall receptacle that is 16" or so off the floor?
Roospike
New Member
Normally the Carbon Monixide is going to linger at low floor level.
EDIT: I recant my statement above.
Its Carbon Dioxide that is Heavier and not Carbon Monixide .
I supplied info posted below.
EDIT: I recant my statement above.
Its Carbon Dioxide that is Heavier and not Carbon Monixide .
I supplied info posted below.
Spike we had an epic debate concerning locations that it was better to place them about 4.5' off the floor level because co was lighter than air.
therefore ceiling locations were optium. and combo ceiling detectors were not as effective. The silght difference in weight is off set by natural air tublances and it mixes.
So whether it be on the walls, ceilings, or plugins, as long as free air flow was allowed, most locations would b do its job of detecting.
Code wise the debate focused on plugins. Code wants them permantely fixed out of the way to allow free air flow. A plug in can be knocked out of the plug get blocked by furnature and is not considered permanent. Nobody can prove they decect better or not. This is still being debated. The issue is permancy not location
therefore ceiling locations were optium. and combo ceiling detectors were not as effective. The silght difference in weight is off set by natural air tublances and it mixes.
So whether it be on the walls, ceilings, or plugins, as long as free air flow was allowed, most locations would b do its job of detecting.
Code wise the debate focused on plugins. Code wants them permantely fixed out of the way to allow free air flow. A plug in can be knocked out of the plug get blocked by furnature and is not considered permanent. Nobody can prove they decect better or not. This is still being debated. The issue is permancy not location
Gunner
New Member
Co will be present at all levels in a home equally because it's Vapour Density is .97 room air is 1. To hang at the floor it's VP would have to be greater than 1 like propane which is 1.52. Location of the detector height wise does not make a difference, the important thing is to place in a location that can be heard while sleeping. CO kills while people are sleeping- generally during the day you are able to recognize the symptoms.
Roospike
New Member
QUESTION:"Where should I place my alarm?"
ANSWER:
Carbon Monoxide is lighter than air. CO2 and O2 are products of complete combustion, CO is produced when there is incomplete combustion. If all 3 gases are spilled into an area the CO2 Carbon Dioxide will drop to the floor and the lighter CO Carbon Monoxide will always rise to the ceiling.
Another way to explain this is to compare it to smoke from a fire. Visible smoke from a fire is a particulate which is heavier than air, but it rapidly rises to the ceiling because of the heat. The same applies for CO spilled from an appliance, it will rise to the ceiling and will always be at a higher concentration near the ceiling.
Molecular weight of:
Carbon Monoxide----->28.01 Lighter
Nitrogen----------------->28.0134
Air------------------------->28.975
Oxygen------------------>32.00
Carbon Dioxide------->44.01 Heavier
Alarms should be located near each sleeping area. The alarm must be located where Carbon Monoxide can reach it, and where it will awaken persons sleeping in the dwelling. Homes with several sleeping areas will require multiple alarms. Locate additional alarms near fossil fuel appliances. Do not locate an alarm in a garage, kitchen or furnace room. CO alarms should be at least 15 feet from the furnace, water heating or cooking appliances. Do not mount them in dusty, dirty or greasy areas, or in extremely humid areas. Read and follow installation instructions furnished with the alarm.
ANSWER:
Carbon Monoxide is lighter than air. CO2 and O2 are products of complete combustion, CO is produced when there is incomplete combustion. If all 3 gases are spilled into an area the CO2 Carbon Dioxide will drop to the floor and the lighter CO Carbon Monoxide will always rise to the ceiling.
Another way to explain this is to compare it to smoke from a fire. Visible smoke from a fire is a particulate which is heavier than air, but it rapidly rises to the ceiling because of the heat. The same applies for CO spilled from an appliance, it will rise to the ceiling and will always be at a higher concentration near the ceiling.
Molecular weight of:
Carbon Monoxide----->28.01 Lighter
Nitrogen----------------->28.0134
Air------------------------->28.975
Oxygen------------------>32.00
Carbon Dioxide------->44.01 Heavier
Alarms should be located near each sleeping area. The alarm must be located where Carbon Monoxide can reach it, and where it will awaken persons sleeping in the dwelling. Homes with several sleeping areas will require multiple alarms. Locate additional alarms near fossil fuel appliances. Do not locate an alarm in a garage, kitchen or furnace room. CO alarms should be at least 15 feet from the furnace, water heating or cooking appliances. Do not mount them in dusty, dirty or greasy areas, or in extremely humid areas. Read and follow installation instructions furnished with the alarm.
and the number one source for co is your attached or garage under. These garages are required co detection coverage Unattached garages no dot require coverage at this time
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