Woodstove features/designs you'd like to see...

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precaud

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This is a variation on a theme started by Corie in another thread, which got me to thinking. Now that most manufacturers have the EPA compliance act down, I'd like to see them focus more on user-friendliness and varied designs for different purposes. So, what would you like to see? I'll start.

As I've seen how most folks use their stoves over the years, I could categorize it into two types: the 24/7 burners, and the mornings/evenings/weekends (MEW) burners. Generally speaking, most stoves work best when burned contunuously, and I see the current crop of offerings as optimized for the 24/7 crowd. I'd like to see a stove designed for the MEW users, of which I am one.

For us, often times the name of the game is "How many BTUs can I get how quickly into the room." So the most important difference from a 24/7 stove would be how quickly the stove comes up to operating temperature. I imagine something similar to the more efficient cars of the future: lighter, with mass only where it is really needed; easy replacement of the lighter parts which will burn out in time; the ability to completely shut off the air supply, to maintain coals for the next startup; other easy-startup features, such as a separate front-of-fire air supply.

I think this is why I have always liked a smaller stove. With my old Jotul 602 (reluctantly sold a couple weeks ago... sob sob), I had significant heat coming out in a matter of minutes - the thing only weighed 120 lbs or so - and it was cranking at 800F within an hour. I could get more heat more quickly into the house with it than any other stove I've used (no, I never had one of those oildrum things!)

Your turn.
 
You and I have a real warm spot for the 602. That may be the most efficient stove I've owned in terms of instant gratification. During a power outage when it was 45 outside and 58 inside, I took the house up 10 degrees in about 3-4 hrs. I'd like a two stage stove. It would be heat producer like the 602, that can shift into very long burns. I had hoped the new 118 would do that, but haven't heard too much about it and some say its wood capacity is disappointing.
 
I've always wondered why stoves didn't come with built-in thermometers. Seems like it would take out some of the guess work for new burners.
 
Rick said:
I've always wondered why stoves didn't come with built-in thermometers. Seems like it would take out some of the guess work for new burners.

That's my question too. Our BBQ has a built in thermometer on the hood.

It would also be nice to have one you could use on double-walled pipe instead of the stove top.

If it wouldn't corrode/rust, it would be nice to have a built-in chamber for water so we didn't have to put a kettle on top to add humidity back in the air.

(I put cinnamon sticks in my kettle for a nice aroma).
 
One that cuts and splits the wood for me. I like the thermometers built in idea too.
 
CountryGal said:
Rick said:
I've always wondered why stoves didn't come with built-in thermometers. Seems like it would take out some of the guess work for new burners.

That's my question too. Our BBQ has a built in thermometer on the hood.

It would also be nice to have one you could use on double-walled pipe instead of the stove top.

On the built-in thermo part, heck it would be nice if most manufacturers just told people what's a good temp to run the stove. Jotul does but I see few others that do. They just say if it is glowing it is overfiring.

Condar makes a probe thermo for double wall pipe:

http://www.condar.com/meters.html

For single wall, as soon as the Jotul cools down I am going to test putting a Charm-Glo probe thermo in my pipe. Got it in the barbeque section at Home Depot for eight bucks. Stainless steel and goes up to 700. Since an internal pipe temp of over 475 is supposed to be a bad thing that 700 ought to be enough. It will only extend one inch into the pipe but I am going to see how it works out. If it doesn't work I will put it on the grill.
 
What are the current surface temps on the pipe? I'm guessing it will peg the needle. I saw pipe surface temps of 650 at times with the 3CB and 602, especially below the damper.
 
BeGreen said:
What are the current surface temps on the pipe? I'm guessing it will peg the needle. I saw pipe surface temps of 650 at times with the 3CB and 602, especially below the damper.

I have never seen a surface temp over 400 on this pipe and that was only once. At full blaring roar with the stove approaching 600. Generally the pipe ticks along in the 230 to 290 range. And that has been checked with two different brand magnetic thermos and the non-contact one.

I just mounted this new one 24" above the stove top a few minutes ago. I sealed the back with stove putty so I am waiting for it to set up.

I have the damper about 18" inches above the stove top. I have some fiddling to do with the intake air and damper settings to try to find a "sweet" spot. I was pretty satisfied last night when it was 34 degrees and I could level it out at 450-500 just by shutting down the intake air after it got to rocking and the smoke disappeared. At 26 degrees this morning it was pretty much the same deal. I have only taken it up to six hundred once so far. Five hundred down here in the office keeps enough heat going up the stairs without running me out the back door.

I just lit off the start up fire. Stove is up to 300, pipe surface 400, probe is showing 600. Probe sure reacts a lot faster than the surface dude. I can practicley move the probe's needle with the intake slide.
 
I would like some kind of notch or numbering system on my Hearthstone's air control lever. It's easier to say "move it to 3", than to say "Move it all the way to the right, then about an inch to the left".
 
I would like a built in electronic monitoring device that measures griddle temp, interior, and flue temps. I would also like to have an electronically controlled damper that is controlled by remote control. The remote control would be hooked into the monitor so I can sit in my rocker with my beer and adjust the damper to get higher or lower temps. It would also have an alarm to alert you that the temps are approaching overfiring or too low and possible creosote conditions exist. It could give new burners info on ideal burning temps and cues to make adjustments for optimal use. Most people who burn wood for heat are moderately obsessed with performance, variations with fuel, and temperature. An electronic monitoring device on the stove could be a-lot of fun to play with.
 
michaelthomas said:
I would like a built in electronic monitoring device that measures griddle temp, interior, and flue temps. I would also like to have an electronically controlled damper that is controlled by remote control. The remote control would be hooked into the monitor so I can sit in my rocker with my beer and adjust the damper to get higher or lower temps. It would also have an alarm to alert you that the temps are approaching overfiring or too low and possible creosote conditions exist. It could give new burners info on ideal burning temps and cues to make adjustments for optimal use. Most people who burn wood for heat are moderately obsessed with performance, variations with fuel, and temperature. An electronic monitoring device on the stove could be a-lot of fun to play with.

Until the power failure. Which is what you bragged about to the guys at work in the first place.

<BB, ducking behind his massive UPS systems in the basement>
 
Yeah!!! I second what Michael Thomas said!!! As a newbie, the only thing that I would add is an audio file that would holler up the steps from the basement. It would holler at every 100 degrees and say something like "hey, the stove is now 600 degrees". That would be awesome. Haha
 
So BB, how'd the stack probe work out when she started cookin?
 
michaelthomas said:
I would like a built in electronic monitoring device that measures griddle temp, interior, and flue temps. I would also like to have an electronically controlled damper that is controlled by remote control. The remote control would be hooked into the monitor so I can sit in my rocker with my beer and adjust the damper to get higher or lower temps. It would also have an alarm to alert you that the temps are approaching overfiring or too low and possible creosote conditions exist. It could give new burners info on ideal burning temps and cues to make adjustments for optimal use. Most people who burn wood for heat are moderately obsessed with performance, variations with fuel, and temperature. An electronic monitoring device on the stove could be a-lot of fun to play with.
Or how about a wood-burning video game instead of an actual wood-burning stove? In level one you have to circumnavigate the Great Inspector, then buy your wood and fight the evil firewood dealer. By level five you get to grow your own trees and process them while battling the king of Creosote Land.
:)
 
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Or how about a wood-burning video game instead of an actual wood-burning stove? In level one you have to circumnavigate the Great Inspector, then buy your wood and fight the evil firewood dealer. By level five you get to grow your own trees and process them while battling the king of Creosote Land.
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...and by level nine, if you haven't kept a close on on your creosote gauge, you have to try and save your family from a raging house fire. Maybe at the end of every level the money you save on other heating fuels can be used to purchase things like steam breathing dragons or thermometers. I'd buy it.
 
I'd like a stove that splits, stores, loads and feeds splits on it's own. Or at least one that burns waste wood and sawdust with remarkable ease, efficiency and cleanliness.

Oh wait, the pellet stove's already been invented. :)
 
BeGreen said:
Oh wait, the pellet stove's already been invented. :)
Now if someone would come up with a way to easily and inexpensively grow your own pellets!
 
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