A Little Praise For Englander

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BrotherBart

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Well, the 30-NCL stove came in. Nice looking big ole wood stove looking thing but a problem with the legs on it. The stove is three inches taller than the online specs. Won't fit the fireplace. Seems the legs used for the spec were six inch and the stove came with nine inch. One call to the 800 number at England's Stove Works and and a nice fellow is sending out a set of six inch legs. Two hours later another fellow calls to make sure I am being fixed up.

I don't know how well this stove is going to work yet but the customer service rocks so far. Some how I don't think it would have worked this way with some of the others from what I have read here.

Now if it will just quit raining I am rolling this bad boy outside of the shop to light'im off and cook some paint.
 
BrotherBart said:
Well, the 30-NCL stove came in. Nice looking big ole wood stove looking thing but a problem with the legs on it. The stove is three inches taller than the online specs. Won't fit the fireplace. Seems the legs used for the spec were six inch and the stove came with nine inch. One call to the 800 number at England's Stove Works and and a nice fellow is sending out a set of six inch legs. Two hours later another fellow calls to make sure I am being fixed up.

I don't know how well this stove is going to work yet but the customer service rocks so far. Some how I don't think it would have worked this way with some of the others from what I have read here.

Now if it will just quit raining I am rolling this bad boy outside of the shop to light'im off and cook some paint.
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HEY ! Good news ! Sounds like the costumer srervice is priceless.
When you mentioned in the other thread about putting this in your "hole"? :bug: and then posted the link to the web site i noticed the two different size leg kits but didnt think to ask you about it at the time.

And its your turn to get a ..............FIRE IT UP !
(even in the event of being just for a paint cure )

Let me ask you this BB ........was it heavy ? :cheese:

BTW I would come over and help you install that bad boy ......But , the coal train just went West so i would have to wait until next week for it to run back East again to hitch a ride.
 
Darn, that's just teasing. Good to hear about Englander service. Hope the stove echoes that kind of attention. How's she look in real life? Is it a beast?

Looks like clearer weather is coming soon. Take some shots of if firing off on blocks.
 
Corie:

Thinking seriously about painting it brown.

Spike:

455 pounds. About a hundred pounds of that is the firebrick. Looks like 3/16 body with 1/4 top. Of course I don't know squat about measuring metal thickness put that is what it looks like with a tape measure and my blurry vision. I did something I hadn't done before. I filled it level with the top of the fire brick with dry red oak splits and then weighed the splits. Left about two inchs under the sec burn tubes. It held 55 pounds of wood. That will either release 450,000 BTUs all at once and melt the stove or leave me a few coals for the morning, one or the other.
 
BrotherBart said:
Corie:

Thinking seriously about painting it brown.

Spike:

455 pounds. About a hundred pounds of that is the firebrick. Looks like 3/16 body with 1/4 top. Of course I don't know squat about measuring metal thickness put that is what it looks like with a tape measure and my blurry vision. I did something I hadn't done before. I filled it level with the top of the fire brick with dry red oak splits and then weighed the splits. Left about two inchs under the sec burn tubes. It held 55 pounds of wood. That will either release 450,000 BTUs all at once and melt the stove or leave me a few coals for the morning, one or the other.
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Well let me know if you fire that thing off full ...........I'll keep an eye out East for a glow.
 
Considering the construction of my stove, I was really surprised at how light it was without the firebrick and doors, secondary tubes and baffle in it. After my dad and I moved the dutchwest out, we picked up my stove and almost tossed it up in the air in comparison.
 
Corie said:
Considering the construction of my stove, I was really surprised at how light it was without the firebrick and doors, secondary tubes and baffle in it. After my dad and I moved the dutchwest out, we picked up my stove and almost tossed it up in the air in comparison.
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Corie,

Dutchwest is cast isn't it?
 
yep. I just didn't expect the difference to be so significant. After all, my stove is all 1/4" and the top is 3/8" steel.
 
Corie said:
yep. I just didn't expect the difference to be so significant. After all, my stove is all 1/4" and the top is 3/8" steel.
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What was the fire box cf?
 
Corie said:
yep. I just didn't expect the difference to be so significant. After all, my stove is all 1/4" and the top is 3/8" steel.
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It come out to about what ........around 325-350 lbs ?
 
Corie said:
Well BB, is she in yet? What's the status?
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It is sitting outside cooling down from the initial burn. Took her up to 550 gradually to cook off the paint. I will report back on the fun of bringing up a stove in a 20 wind with a four foot single wall chimney that can't get above 200 degrees a little latter. Right now I have to go back out and keep knocking falling leaves off of it.

So far I am impressed. When the shorter legs arrive I will put it in the house and see how it does with real draft. The only burning surprises so far are pleasant ones.
 
BrotherBart said:
Corie said:
Well BB, is she in yet? What's the status?
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It is sitting outside cooling down from the initial burn. Took her up to 550 gradually to cook off the paint. I will report back on the fun of bringing up a stove in a 20 wind with a four foot single wall chimney that can't get above 200 degrees a little latter. Right now I have to go back out and keep knocking falling leaves off of it.

So far I am impressed. When the shorter legs arrive I will put it in the house and see how it does with real draft. The only burning surprises so far are pleasant ones.
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You must be a Redneck when........
 
Sandor said:
BrotherBart said:
Corie said:
Well BB, is she in yet? What's the status?
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It is sitting outside cooling down from the initial burn. Took her up to 550 gradually to cook off the paint. I will report back on the fun of bringing up a stove in a 20 wind with a four foot single wall chimney that can't get above 200 degrees a little latter. Right now I have to go back out and keep knocking falling leaves off of it.

So far I am impressed. When the shorter legs arrive I will put it in the house and see how it does with real draft. The only burning surprises so far are pleasant ones.
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You must be a Redneck when........
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Yeah. When I fired that thing up the smoke ran the chickens right off the porch.

Funny footnote to that. When I was talking to the guy at customer service about the shorter legs for it I asked him how I would get the long ones back to them. He said "You won't. Keep'em for posterity.". At that I said ok, tomorrow it goes outside the shop for an outdoor burn-in to cure the paint. His reply was "Fantastic. You wouldn't believe how many calls we get saying 'We just installed this stove and there is a really funky smell coming from it. What's wrong with it?'"
 
BB what about trying to get Englander to participate on the forum?
over the years howmany post have we seen I just picked up a stove and we all know it is a piece of junk.
The Englander is positioned in the market place to attract many new buyers that visit here on a budget.
I considered them but no rear vent. The quality is good and warrenty decent, plus threw you we will judge customer service

I would also like to hear feed back on their pellet stoves. At this price range, they are not compeating with Harmans or Quads.

Not all can afford top of the line but less expensive and provide heat is a winning situation. Add the Cheap Charlie pellet stoves in the low end mix.
I wish I was near by to help you and to witness its performance
 
elkimmeg said:
BB what about trying to get Englander to participate on the forum?
over the years howmany post have we seen I just picked up a stove and we all know it is a piece of junk.
The Englander is positioned in the market place to attract many new buyers that visit here on a budget.
I considered them but no rear vent. The quality is good and warrenty decent, plus threw you we will judge customer service

I would also like to hear feed back on their pellet stoves. At this price range, they are not compeating with Harmans or Quads.

Not all can afford top of the line but less expensive and provide heat is a winning situation. Add the Cheap Charlie pellet stoves in the low end mix.
I wish I was near by to help you and to witness its performance
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I'll keep the group updated Elk. On the pellet side they sell a butt load of'em and I have to think if there were problems people would have shown up here. Either that or if they have problems they get the answer from a call to the 800 number for customer service. Those guys sure seem ready to fix whatever ails ya. One of the things that piqued my curiosity and led to buying the stove is that they have been peddling stoves for 26 years now and I have not seen one groan about them on the Forum. Or anywhere else for that matter.

I can in fact afford the top of the line, and when I bought the Sierra England was playing in that market. I set my top price on the Hearthstone Clydesdale. This pup is in no way a top of the line stove in the current market but only two stoves in that market made a decent impression on me. And the thimble sized fire boxes on most of the stoves just ain't gettin it in this house. We have a lot of nice furniture, we want heat. And me not getting up every three hours to feed it.

I will put it on the hearth and find out what is what and let the Forum know. Good, bad and ugly.

So far the score is England tops, Sutherland Lumber tops and Fedex Freight is a piece of crap. They tried hard to demolish the stove. Thankfully they didn't succeed. Top packaging shredded, pallet bands over the stove both broken and dropped hard enough that the stove broke through the pallet. Stove seemed to survive just fine but was scuffed up.

The stove must heat well. I fired it outside to cure the paint and all of Northern Virgina hovered around the high sixties today.
 
I went over to the Englander web site to check out their stoves and they look rather beefy. Where are you installing the stove Brother? (maybe you said and I'm being lazy in not going back to read)

But the one thing I saw that struck me as interesting was the whole house furnace addon stove. While I don't have forced hot air heat, I do have easy access to crawl space. Could a stove like that be put in by itself with that 850 cfm blower doing all the pushing? What is a normal hot air heat blower CFM rating?

I have this down stairs room that needs heat, but not much, and if I installed a stove like that big englander in my furnace room (just off the room that needs heat), plus put duct work up into the Livingroom, dining room and kitchen, would the Englander be able to push enough air to do the job? Next question, How much heat comes off that thing as radiant heat? Seems like it would be a fair amount, unless it's designed like a regular furnace with insulation. With all that burning going on I wouldn't want to over heat my small downstairs rooms. They're 15x20 with my office adjoining (8x10) So for just around 400 sqft of space that's very well insulated, I'm worried about over heating. Even the smallest of stoves I think could over heat that kind of space.
 
Warren,
If you are talking about the 28-3500, I installed that add-on furnace in my home last year. I do have a Carrier gas forced-air gas furnace and tapped into that ductwork. My home is two story and about 2,400 sf and I easily heated the entire home with the wood furnace last winter. Used about 4 cords. To answer your questions:
1. Yes, the 850 cfm fan can push the air throughout the house. However my gas furnace thermostat allows me to turn on the Carrier fan at low speed (can't even hear it run). I run that fan and it really does a nice job of keeping the temp in the house uniform. It also allows me to run the air cleaner and humidifier that are on the Carrier.
2. If you put in ductwork you will have to also consider some way to get cold air return.
3. There is some, but not much, radiant heat. The wood stove thermostat turns the fan on when the plenum air hits 195. Forget how low it gets when it turns off, but the result is the surface of the furnace is only warm to touch. The door and pipe going to chimney get hot.
You didn't ask, but I was also pleasantly surprised with how clean it burned. Over the course of the heating season I got a total of one bucket of creosote out of the chimney.
Also, I have been very pleased w/Englander's customer service. Had to call to order replacement glass for the door (my fault it broke) and they were very helpful and quick to respond.
Sean
 
BB......2 questions
can you get them in "whorehouse red"?
will it heat all year on 2 splits?
(sorry spike):)
 
I started to buy the wood furnace 21 years ago and again last week. I have been concerned about how much wood it would eat to keep the burn clean. SeanD seems to have it down pat and to be getting good results with it. I have just been taken with the clean burn of the Jotuls and decided to go with the 30-NCL because of the clean burn numbers and large firebox. And because it has that "looks like a wood stove" look that we like around here. My wife just saw it for the first time and loves it. I repainted it last night in Golden Glo Brown metallic (a medium brown) and left the door and legs black. Looks great to us.

It is going half in and half our of our masonary fireplace where the insert was previously. The insert heated the house so well for all of these years that I think that ticking along at 400-500 this thing is going to do it fine. England doesn't get into the publishing of burn time numbers. Which actually I liked. I don't believe any of them anyway. But when I was talking to the customer service guy who called he said he had personally seen it do thirteen hours in the burn lab. I was only looking for eight or so.

We shall see.
 
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