Wood scroungers - do you ever make property owner sign liability waiver?

My first bit of advice is not to attempt to fell trees that have (even a remote) chance of hitting anything of value, waiver or no waiver. You're not a tree service professional, after all, and you shouldn't be trying anything fancy.

Bearing that in mind, I think it would be rather insulting if someone is offering you something for free and you ask them to sign some sort of document limiting their rights. If a handshake won't do it, then walk away.

More likely, landowners are going to want you to sign a waiver saying you won't sue them if you get hurt.

Same as what Eric said.

With the guy holding you liable etc..If you had permission to get the wood and you leave it in a professional manner, explain this to him?

For instance if a downed tree in somebody's yard that tree service has left all the big wood, I rake up the saw dust and leave it clean.

2 days ago my neighbor came over and told me he is replacing his deck which had 2 trees through it and 2 leaning on it that he wanted out and could I fall them. Went over took a look. 2 not much of a big deal but 2 leaning right at the house1 away. I told him the liability was too great and hed better get a pro.Found a guy who was licensed and insured and got it done for 325$. Then he comes over and says all he paid for was falling and if I wanted the wood it was mine. 4 Cedars about 60 - 80 foot with2' butts for free. I dont really need any more Cedar but who can turn down free wood next door?

Actually, I've thought about this some from a broad economical point of view. We wood scroungers need to think about the long term impact of what we do. For example, mr. cheapskate says "I'll let you cut down my tree for free so you can have fire wood!" (Tradergordo - we're in the same area and have probably seen those same craigslist posts) I think we do harm by doing it by not only the potential liability, but what does it mean when you do something for free for a stranger that has a value of $1,000 just for the benefit of wood that is worth $250 split, delivered, and stacked? Moreover, I think of the posts that say "firewood, $50 per truck load, still needs to be split" This is also from mr. cheapskate who didn't want to pay the money for the tree service to haul it away. I think what we should do is not let mr. cheapskate take advantage of us. That is, to the person who will graciously let us cut down his trees so we can have the wood, we offer that for FREE we will haul the wood away after the tree company cuts it down. I don't want us scroungers to be known as being the cheapest type of people! I don't believe we're "cheap" The cost of our stoves and saws and such indicate such. Rather, we are frugal and just plain smart and willing to work in order to have "heat for free."

philaphire said:

Actually, I've thought about this some from a broad economical point of view. We wood scroungers need to think about the long term impact of what we do. For example, mr. cheapskate says "I'll let you cut down my tree for free so you can have fire wood!" (Tradergordo - we're in the same area and have probably seen those same craigslist posts) I think we do harm by doing it by not only the potential liability, but what does it mean when you do something for free for a stranger that has a value of $1,000 just for the benefit of wood that is worth $250 split, delivered, and stacked? Moreover, I think of the posts that say "firewood, $50 per truck load, still needs to be split" This is also from mr. cheapskate who didn't want to pay the money for the tree service to haul it away. I think what we should do is not let mr. cheapskate take advantage of us. That is, to the person who will graciously let us cut down his trees so we can have the wood, we offer that for FREE we will haul the wood away after the tree company cuts it down. I don't want us scroungers to be known as being the cheapest type of people! I don't believe we're "cheap" The cost of our stoves and saws and such indicate such. Rather, we are frugal and just plain smart and willing to work in order to have "heat for free."

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Frugal, great choice of words. I do not fell trees. I offer to buck clean up and leave. I do believe a hand shake will hold up in muni court as a "contract" I also would give the neighbor worried about a mess after you got permission another " F " word . And it aein"t frugal.

There is too much free wood around here that doesn't involve me dropping a tree on somebodie's house, car, shed, etc. I simply tell people that I'm not trained and experienced enough to be doing something like that. I have dropped a couple trees that had a chance of damaging my own property....and I've paid to have a monster sweet gum that was 15 feet in front of my house taken down because I knew that it wouldn't just fall on my house but it would cut it in half like a cheese slicer. For the money you will save it just isn't worth the risk. move on to the next house.

I cut down the occassional trees on other people's property, but like Eric and others have said, I only cut down trees that are within my skill range that I know will not hit anything of value. To date I have never felled a tree for someone I didnt know. If you suspect a waiver is needed at a particular offer, I'd walk away, especially if more than one property owner can potentially be involved. If ownerA puts out the ad and you sign a waiver with them, you have no waiver with OwnerB next door who gives you grief (or you drop a tree on their land unplanned).

If Joe Cheapskate has a tree dropped by a service but not hauled away, or more often the case a storm knocks one down, then I'll buck it up for free & haul it away. Around where I live, if someone posts a sign at the end of their driveway saying 'free firewood', usually the rush of people trying to grab it produces a hurricane-level wind and its gone within the hour. I dont think we are doing ourselves a disservice by being free/cheap tree services, however dont open yourself to any liability except your own body.

Tree services around here will typical deliver a grapple load for $350-$400, which is about 7-11 cords once split/bucked. At $50/cord delivered w/ no liability, thats a good deal for cheap people like us. Lately the town has been widening/repairing several roads within 2 miles of my house, which usually takes several dozen trees/mile of the project. Obviously they are using some service to do this, Im hoping to get them to deliver a grapple load for even cheaper.

just to be straight - what I said was, we shouldn't pay for wood that is really just cleaning up a homeowner's property (which I know really isn't the subject of ths thread) nor should we cut down a tree for free for a stranger. I'm more so concerned about buying wood that should really be for free - let's keep the market down! Moreover, as mentioned by all, we should be wise and keep our liabilty at the handling of a chainsaw! Frugal, cheap, smart, whatever - bottom line is utility companies can.....(you fill in the blank!)

Living in the city, I wouldn't dream about cutting someone else's tree down. That's what the pros do. I will happily haul away any wood though as long as it's ok with all parties.

Interesting thread, but you can't contract away your own negligence. Its against the general obligations law. Any waiver will be literally worthless.

-- Mike

Here's an example of what we're talking about from today's Philalphia craigslist, I love the "free of charge, but brush must be neatly piled" line....

U-Cut Firewood in Pottstown PA -- FREE
Reply to: [email protected]
Date: 2006-11-21, 12:03AM EST

We have a good number of trees which have to go. All are a reasonable size, and some won't even need splitting. Easy access. Free of charge but brush must be neatly piled. Near Route 100 and Route 422, Upper Pottsgrove, PA.

So my thing is, we should tell this guy that we would be glad to do it for $100, or haul away the wood after pros come in - I'm just not convinced that doing this for free for someone we don't know is helpful to us individually or corporately.

Sorry for all my ranting on this thread...I think I'll stop now :zip:

Put me down as one who is "cheap" - but with my time and my money. For $50 a cord dropped in my driveway, I just can't rationalize the time to drop or even limb trees and deal with the brush and shavings, plus carting wood to my house by the pickup truck load. It's just not worth it. My time is better spent splitting and stacking - that is where the value is.

I would do it to help out a friend or a neighbor, and I would pick up already bucked wood at the curb - but that's it.

Lots of respect for those of you that have the time and energy to really scrounge, but I've got too many other home improvement projects. Those run $50-$100 per hour, and that's a much bigger payback than $50/cord

-TNB

Turner-n-Burner said:

Put me down as one who is "cheap" - but with my time and my money. For $50 a cord dropped in my driveway, I just can't rationalize the time to drop or even limb trees and deal with the brush and shavings, plus carting wood to my house by the pickup truck load. It's just not worth it. My time is better spent splitting and stacking - that is where the value is.

I would do it to help out a friend or a neighbor, and I would pick up already bucked wood at the curb - but that's it.

Lots of respect for those of you that have the time and energy to really scrounge, but I've got too many other home improvement projects. Those run $50-$100 per hour, and that's a much bigger payback than $50/cord

-TNB

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Where are you getting wood $50/cord delivered??

Are you talking full cords?

Log length stuff?

The $50/cord is probably available anywhere that has tree services, this estimate is from my area north of Boston, MA. The ones I spoke to will deliver a grapple load of tree trunks (branches/brush removed) to your home for anywhere from $200-$500 depending on a few factors, the average seemed to be around the $350 range. You as the owner then put in the effort to buck & split them yourself. Obviously it's recently felled, unseasoned wood, but they will guarentee hardwoods that are (OK, were) healthy, e.g. they werent dead, rotting trees that fell across a telephone wire.

Some of my friends have negotiated nearly free grapples if the tree service is working in your neighborhood and its more effort for them to bring the trunks back to their home base vs. driving it down the street to your house. But of course then you have to A) spot the work being done as it happens and B) beat the other person just like yourself who wants the wood.