My First Stove. The Englander 17VL

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MaintenanceMan

Minister of Fire
Feb 25, 2010
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Southern IN
After several years of renovating (and still not being done), splitting and stacking wood. scrimping and saving, and countless hours of research on here I am finally burning wood. And I couldn't be happier. To be honest I am kind of afraid to show you guys what I have done because I went against the grain a bit and put in a smaller stove than most would recommend for the house. But thus far I'm very impressed with my 17VL and it's doing a lot more than I had originally hoped.

I had originally planned to put a small stove in an addition I added to our house. But after some tweaking to our plans and some consultation here we decided to knock down a wall and create a more open central space creating a perfect spot for a stove. I'm very glad we opened this up and brought the stove out here. This past summer I installed the chimney, built a hearth, and installed a 17Vl. My intent was to heat the main living area and mainly just supplement the gas furnace. So far the results are that it is easily able to heat the entire house.

I put the receptacle for the blower on a wall switch. When this thing is up to temp and the blower is on it really pumps out the heat. And so far I've only had it on low. We still have work to do in the kitchen behind the stove. So this is really a temporary hearth. I made it up for less than $30.I have plans for something nicer once we get the kitchen done.

The outside temps here recently are in the 30's and staying in the 40's during the day. I back the thermostat back to about 64 at night (I like a cool house at night). The furnace has only been coming on about once before morning. I get up and start a fire. My start up time is getting better as I am learning the stove. This morning I had it up to a 450-500F surface temp in 45mins- an hour, cruising on low at that point with the blower on, and the house is getting nice a warm. I am surprised at how well the heat spreads to the rooms in the back of the house. I really didn't expect a lot of benefit back there. I have thermometers on each end of the house and so far I've easily been able to keep each end of the house 72-74F. I'm looking forward to seeing how well she preforms in colder weather.

Burn times are around 3 hrs so far. I haven't dipped into my oak yet though. I think I'll be able to get around a 4-5 hr burn time with a good load of some better hard woods. I've been burning mostly gum and maple so far.

I did improve the house insulation greatly over the course of our renovations, which was miserable before. The house was 960 sq ft with single pane windows and little to no insulation. Now the house is about 1300 sq ft with almost all new windows and beefed up exterior and attic insulation. I have about $1000 in the stove, chimney and hearth. And more money in windows and insulation than I care to think about. But now the energy savings will rack up from here on out. And that feels great. I have always wanted a stove. I love this heat and the 17 has very much impressed me for such a small stove.


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The stove looks great and I am glad to hear you are getting along with it so well!! From what I can see in the photos it looks like you did a heck of a remodel. You should easily get your money back out of all that insulation. Burn On!
 
Great looking stove you have in a very nice setting. Very nice job! Thanks for the report. I love that stove. It really looks good there.
 
i love seeing a happy stove ==c happy to hear you like our little monster, she's a great example of the old addage about the size of the dog in the fight versus the size of the fight in the dog. stove looks to be purring along great in the photo's
 
That install looks good enough to be in the dang brochure! Great job!
 
I like your stove and good job on the hearth pad.
 
i love seeing a happy stove ==c happy to hear you like our little monster, she's a great example of the old addage about the size of the dog in the fight versus the size of the fight in the dog. stove looks to be purring along great in the photo's

It really is an impressive little stove. I was very pleasantly surprised to find the blower thrown in for free when the stove arrived. It really pumps out the heat with the blower on. I'm not the kind of guy who likes cold weather, but I have been looking forward to some colder weather lately just to burn this stove. This winter is going to be a real learning experience for me. I was a HVAC contractor for years. Wood stoves are one kind of heat I was always attracted to, but never had personally. The 17 has made a very good impression on me for a first stove. It's been relatively easy to learn to operate and it makes all that labor of cutting, splitting and stacking into the kind of satisfaction I was looking for. My hats off to ESW and Cory for an excellent stove!
 
Thanks for all the compliments! Like I said before, this is actually a temporary hearth pad. In the future we want to take the hickory flooring into the kitchen behind the stove. After I get the new cabinets put in I want to create a bar/peninsula behind the stove with a veneer stone look. I got the whole thing in my head and can't wait to create it. I've done 100% of the renovations myself and this kitchen will be the final step. After two room additions, a deck, taking down a wall and installing a stove...I am aaaalllmost there.
 
Congrats on getting the stove project done in time for the winter burn. Since you centralized the space a bit the blower may just move that warm air enough to heat the space well. Good luck!
 
welcome:)

You must feel really good about the great job you are doing for your family. Quite impressive. Your hard work will undoubtedly have a great positive effect upon your lives for many happy and comfortable years to come.

Best wishes for many companionable evenings around your stove.
 
Very nice looking install.

If this is temporary. I cant wait to see the finished pics ;)

Congrats
 
Very nice looking install.

If this is temporary. I cant wait to see the finished pics ;)

Congrats

I can't wait to see it either. Unfortunately it's most likely going to be a few years. I suddenly find myself in the middle of a career change. The kitchen will be on the back burner for a while it looks like. But I wasn't going to let my job stop the stove install. I had the stove and triple wall, all I need was the double wall pipe and a hearth pad. I was just going to get a stove board, but for $40 I thought I could construct one that looked better, fit better, for cheaper. Sure, I only saved about $10, but it does look better I think.

I saved a lot on the chimney. My neighbor sold me some new-in-the-box Simpson chimney pipe and through the roof kit that he bought but didn't end up using. I found found the additional 6ft of chimney I needed on CL (also new in the box) for $75. It turned out nice for a budget install.

$499 for the stove with blower through Home Depot
$325 for the chimney pipe
$145 for the double wall and adapter through Dynamite Buys
$30 for the hearth pad materials.

Right at $1000 for a new stove and chimney and I don't think it will take too many years to recoup those costs through energy savings.
 
welcome:)

You must feel really good about the great job you are doing for your family. Quite impressive. Your hard work will undoubtedly have a great positive effect upon your lives for many happy and comfortable years to come.

Best wishes for many companionable evenings around your stove.

Thanks, it does feel good to look at those stacks of dry cord wood and come home to a truly warm house. Yesterday was a good example. It was just nasty out. Cold and rainy. Came home to a 73-74F house. Just perfect. And my wife is someone who was never ever warm. I think we are curing that problem too. She's loving it.
 
Love the stove and your 1st rate install. Wish I had a place for another stove as it would be a 17-VL for sure!
 
Come on guys!!!!! Who's the Englander T-shirt guy around here???? With the sharp looking install MM has done, he really deserves one!!

Hopefully the T-shirts aren't just for NC-30 guys and gals???!!!:p

I could use one also!!!!:cool:
 
Great job! :cool: That Hickory flooring looks very nice. I've always liked the look of that stove too, with the "log warmer" below. Glad to hear that it's meeting your expectations. When I still had the Dutchwest in here, I bought a blower for it and was really impressed by how much better it moved the heat out and around the space. I have a feeling that we'll get some good stove-testing weather this winter, unlike last year. Enjoy! :)
 
Just curious, is that stove actually designed for storing wood under it like you have in your pic? If so that's the first stove I think that I've seen like that. Seems a little unusual. Do you take ashes out the front?

Yup, here's a stock photo from any number of sights. I don't know how practical it really is (yet) but for now I thought I would try it and see if there are any issues. Doesn't seem to get warm at all under there.

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There are actually a lot of stoves with a storage area under the firebox available.

Yes, the ashes come out the front.
 
Great job! :cool: That Hickory flooring looks very nice.


Thanks! It's Pergo. Jamison Hickory. It's been down for 6 months and I still can't get over how good it looks.
 
That's cool, I guess I was just surprised in this modern era of safety freaks that they would encourage storing wood that actually touches the stove, even "crazier" when you think about it that you would be pulling out ashes (and most likely glowing embers) directly above this stored wood. But I've always thought storing a little wood close to the stove was alright, so maybe these new stove designs confirm that idea.
 
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