Looking for a bigger Stihl

clemsonfor said:

I think the only thing I vver see in 3/8 chain is skip tooth. The stihl dealer does not even have any chain other than skip I. Bats over 20. He has full cutter safety chin in 20".

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Opposite at my Stihl dealer. They have racks of full comp chain, and only one spool of full chisel skip. They actually look at you funny, as if you're from the left coast, if you ask them for skip chain.

<-- just bought three loops of skip to try, got the funny look.

Freakingstang said:

When did you cross over to the darkside? how those xp's treating you? 22" maple and both of these saws were ported with 20" bars and off the reel round ground stihl RS chain. the 372 has a ton of work done to it. I ran it in stock appearing race saw classes on nitro, so that's not really something that should be used in the woods all day long every day. That 360 will last forever. you can hear the snappiness and way more compression of the 372




a ported 036/360/361 or 362 will run right with a stock 371/372 044/046 with a 20" in hardwoods, but going to larger wood the 70cc saw will still have the advantage.

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Ever since you told me that I needed a MS 361, I started investigating why? With the Quad port design of the Husq's it makes the most snappy of the 36 series. And now I know 1st hand

I used to own just Husqs. But then I got the 1st 036 Pro. Then, I got All Stihl, All the time!!..!! Then I read more on the 372xp, and also the 562xp. Just acquired the 2nd 372xp last week. Had a 12mm 044 Mag delivered today (also from AS). That thing is something special. My 460 is a runner. But there is something with that 044 that makes it rev so (read : SO) much faster and snappier!

Definitely want to pick your brain on Port work. I want to send the new 372 off to a builder, for a woods port. But if its something I can do with tools I already possess? Then I would be willing to sacrifice one of my 036 Pro's to learn. Either way, we need to hook up sometime. Either at your place or Boogs. Also, member Swagler would be a good candidate for a lil GTG

There selling loops at this dealer. Not making them onsite. I think k there more of a lawnmower (exmark) dealer but have a full line of stihl stuff though.

There supposedly is a big stihl dealer in augista that I want to go to. I want to see what they have.

DexterDay said:

Ever since you told me that I needed a MS 361, I started investigating why? With the Quad port design of the Husq's it makes the most snappy of the 36 series. And now I know 1st hand

I used to own just Husqs. But then I got the 1st 036 Pro. Then, I got All Stihl, All the time!!..!! Then I read more on the 372xp, and also the 562xp. Just acquired the 2nd 372xp last week. Had a 12mm 044 Mag delivered today (also from AS). That thing is something special. My 460 is a runner. But there is something with that 044 that makes it rev so (read : SO) much faster and snappier!

Definitely want to pick your brain on Port work. I want to send the new 372 off to a builder, for a woods port. But if its something I can do with tools I already possess? Then I would be willing to sacrifice one of my 036 Pro's to learn. Either way, we need to hook up sometime. Either at your place or Boogs. Also, member Swagler would be a good candidate for a lil GTG

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036 to 372 is apples and cucumbers as far as port work goes. is your 61 ported? that's where they shine and why I told you to trade a 36 for a 61.. yes, it is a mini 372.....I have no issues helping you out, but let me tell you I've ruined 20-30 jugs over the years "learning"what works and what doesn't... its really easy to get carried away and remove too much material and make it a nice paperweight. too much exh timing shifts the power band up and up and narrows it significantly. Too much intake timing makes it chug fuel. too much transfer port timing and it either falls on its face or makes no power.

My 044 with an 046 topend was my favorite saw, although it got stolen out of the back of my truck..

Is either one of your 72's ported? Is either one an Xtorq? if so who did it. you ought to just drop it off some time this winter when I have the work bench cleaned up and I'll make it run for you. I need a lathe to do what I want to do with them.. The way I see it, I have two 72's. One rips screams and snorts with with a 20" if I remember it turns 15K in the wood. that's too much for a work saw. You'll beat the bearings out of it. The Xtorq I ported two years ago when they first came out, runs damn good (better than any 044/046 I've had) and has more grunt up top than the older 2. It wears a 25" stihl es bar. Those are the two basic saws I use. The old 372 gets used 90% of the time... The 660 only ever comes out when it is time for the mill or a 36" stump. The 084 is going to go bye bye as I haven't used it since the ground up (expensive) rebuild. The 550 gets used as a limbing saw. time to unload a bunch of my crap. I have tons of bars, chains (new and used) 044/046/066 and 371/372 parts as well.

Freakingstang said:

036 to 372 is apples and cucumbers as far as port work goes. is your 61 ported? that's where they shine and why I told you to trade a 36 for a 61.. yes, it is a mini 372.....I have no issues helping you out, but let me tell you I've ruined 20-30 jugs over the years "learning"what works and what doesn't... its really easy to get carried away and remove too much material and make it a nice paperweight. too much exh timing shifts the power band up and up and narrows it significantly. Too much intake timing makes it chug fuel. too much transfer port timing and it either falls on its face or makes no power.

My 044 with an 046 topend was my favorite saw, although it got stolen out of the back of my truck..

Is either one of your 72's ported? Is either one an Xtorq? if so who did it. you ought to just drop it off some time this winter when I have the work bench cleaned up and I'll make it run for you. I need a lathe to do what I want to do with them.. The way I see it, I have two 72's. One rips screams and snorts with with a 20" if I remember it turns 15K in the wood. that's too much for a work saw. You'll beat the bearings out of it. The Xtorq I ported two years ago when they first came out, runs damn good (better than any 044/046 I've had) and has more grunt up top than the older 2. It wears a 25" stihl es bar. Those are the two basic saws I use. The old 372 gets used 90% of the time... The 660 only ever comes out when it is time for the mill or a 36" stump. The 084 is going to go bye bye as I haven't used it since the ground up (expensive) rebuild. The 550 gets used as a limbing saw. time to unload a bunch of my crap. I have tons of bars, chains (new and used) 044/046/066 and 371/372 parts as well.

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I know the 036 wont hold a candle to the 372... But would like to learn.

Both are X-Torq. But I have a line in a $200 non X-torq (75cc) (neither of them are ported... yet?!?)



Send me a PM with what your lookin to get out of the 084 amd what parts for the 044/440/046/460? As I have a need for some parts for both.


Nice to see you back Stang.

Sorry for the hi-jack.

Freakingstang said:

not to split hairs, but a 440 in hardwoods will not run a 32" bar effectively, not to mention we don't get the High Output oilers the west coast saws have. That's apples to cucumbers comparison to oak and maple that we cut. around here in hardwood country most loggers run a 20" on a 460 and a 24/25" on a 660, but most wont run a 660 all day long because of the weight. a 440 in hardwoods in a 20-25" max saw. Will it run a 28"-32? sure. will it be productive speed wise? probably not. skip chain is also not common to these parts, which is just a band aid for a saw to run a larger bar than it is meant for.

before you get your panties ina bunch I put a 28" on my dolmar 5100 years ago for giggles and cut a 24" oak log. Did it do it? sure it did. It also took about 3 minutes to make one cut through it....

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Meh

1) Me and my bone stock MS440 with a hand filed skip tooth round bit chain will take the 32" bar in hardwoods Pepsi challenge, any time.

2) Regardless, the OP is talking about cutting 30" logs which do not require a 32", a 30" or even a 28" chain. There is no 30" log on this continent that I can't handily dispatch with a bone stock MS440 dressed in a 25" bar. That log simply does not exist.

Freakingstang said:

Haven't been on AS in years.. If I am so wrong about skip chain, show me one harvester that uses skip chain. Maybe you should take your big bar envy back to AS. I'll also add that skip chain is for lazy people that don't want to sharpen their chain.

They do have their place, just not on the east coast, Midwest or hardwood country.

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TRANSLATION: I have never used a skip tooth chain

Bigg_Redd said:

There is no 30" log on this continent that I can't handily dispatch with a bone stock MS440 dressed in a 25" bar. That log simply does not exist.

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at least we agree on something, and that might be the smartest thing that has come out of your keyboard on this thread. Send me your address and i'll send you a couple loops or ten of skip chain. west coast "hardwood" is trash wood here that most of us wont even burn. when you understand the basics of fiber construction and the principles of how a chain really "cuts" you wouldn't be arguing. That's fine, everyone has their opinions, but when someone calls someone ignorant and spouts off with an attitude about something they know nothing about, makes them look stupid at best. skip chain has a place, it is not here. It is not for anyone that cuts wood for firewood use. It is meant for long stranded stringy types of wood that will clog up the cutters of underpowered saws. This is not the case with any hardwood. It is not a smooth cutting chain, especially in hardwood unless they are using a 55 rancher to cut 48" oak trees.

Freakingstang said:

at least we agree on something, and that might be the smartest thing that has come out of your keyboard on this thread. Send me your address and i'll send you a couple loops or ten of skip chain. west coast "hardwood" is trash wood here that most of us wont even burn. when you understand the basics of fiber construction and the principles of how a chain really "cuts" you wouldn't be arguing. That's fine, everyone has their opinions, but when someone calls someone ignorant and spouts off with an attitude about something they know nothing about, makes them look stupid at best. skip chain has a place, it is not here. It is not for anyone that cuts wood for firewood use. It is meant for long stranded stringy types of wood that will clog up the cutters of underpowered saws. This is not the case with any hardwood. It is not a smooth cutting chain, especially in hardwood unless they are using a 55 rancher to cut 48" oak trees.

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Yeah. . . cuz there's no oak, Madrona, locust, or maple out here. And I've never cut any of it all the time. With a skip tooth chain. For the last forever.

Freakingstang said:

at least we agree on something, and that might be the smartest thing that has come out of your keyboard on this thread. Send me your address and i'll send you a couple loops or ten of skip chain. west coast "hardwood" is trash wood here that most of us wont even burn. when you understand the basics of fiber construction and the principles of how a chain really "cuts" you wouldn't be arguing. That's fine, everyone has their opinions, but when someone calls someone ignorant and spouts off with an attitude about something they know nothing about, makes them look stupid at best. skip chain has a place, it is not here. It is not for anyone that cuts wood for firewood use. It is meant for long stranded stringy types of wood that will clog up the cutters of underpowered saws. This is not the case with any hardwood. It is not a smooth cutting chain, especially in hardwood unless they are using a 55 rancher to cut 48" oak trees.

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Buzzer sound: Eeeeeeehhhhhhhh

You are dead wrong (and hopelessly ignorant) about western hardwoods. You do not have a clue as to what types of trees we have here. I mean, really, you are telling us that most of you do not burn white oak? <blink blink> I can find 101 posts here by Midwesterners on Hearth to refute that claim. Oregon white oak is every bit as dense and hard as American white oak. Similar with California black oak. Pacific Madrone is denser and harder and burns even longer than oak or hickory. The 5 western live oak species will beat *ANY* species of hardwood that you have in the Midwest, for density and heat, period. Also as I posted elsewhere here recently, I found a grove of 100 year old black locust growing near me. They are trash trees for commercial logging purposes. If you are telling us that people out your way to not burn BL, you are on drugs, dude.

Your posts are contradictions to many known facts, from what saws are sold here in the west, what/why skip chain is used, to western wood species, to your statements that you do not post any more on arboristshyte, where you still seem to reside. As for cutting hardwoods, we have to cut down a lot of hardwood trash trees here with the conifers, typically madrone, oak, and bigleaf maple, as they tend to grow in the conifer stands. They are typically culled with the crappy fir, and around urban areas the hardwood logs are sold for firewood. In the more remote areas they are burned as slash. Alder is the high value hardwood money tree here (yes, we do actually harvest hardwoods in the west for firewood and for commercial use), and is best cut with skip in my experience. Alder is also a good firewood, and a great smoking wood.

But hey, keep digging yourself a bigger hole here on this thread. It is highly amusing.

Sooooo....anyway.

Did you go feel up any saws at the Stihlership yet?

DexterDay said:

Either way, we need to hook up sometime. Either at your place or Boogs. Also, member Swagler would be a good candidate for a lil GTG

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WTF?? I ain't all that far away that you clowns can't let me know when the HO-DOWN is......

Ohio isn't that far.....

On the issue of skip chain, I have it on my 42" bar in .404-.063 for using on my bigger saws (051/075's), no I don't race saws, yes I do tweak them a little (mild intake/exhaust port work, muffler mods, etc.). I like the skipper chain, fast to sharpen and still gets the job done, but again, I ain't racing a clock in my backyard on a sawbuck either......I'm cutting to make some dough.

Stang, there is a lot more hardwood out west than you think, and I'm pretty sure most guys who log out there like the skipper chain. Basically for the fact that it clears out faster when cutting and the biggie reason it's fast to sharpen...

C'mon guys, lets not get this threat chit-canned.....To the OP, get either a MS460, MS046, or 372XP and call it a day.......you'll love that saw (no it don't need a wild port job to impress you, either).

An 044 (440) with a 32" Full comp... Yeah, I just acquired one.

I did just get the saw, but the bar is for my 460. Did it just for giggles after cleaning it up. This thing is very peppy though. I must say I am in love with it I had thought about selling it, but now I am entertaining the thought of keeping it and selling the other 036 Pro?

An 18" and an 8 pin rim, this things tears through the wood. But the 18" that came with it, will go on the 036.

As much as some have hated on FreakinStang. My 036's generally wear 18" (60 cc) the 044 will wear a 20" (71 cc) the 460 has the 25" (76 cc). (We are talking Stihl here, so the Husqs will stay out) I have the 32" for a Big job. But since I bought it, I have not needed it. I needed it, a Lot, before I bought it though.

Ordering Log Loads, I can request certain wood and certain sizes. I like to keep it 20"-12" in diameter. Small bar, high chain speed, an 8 pin, and chips flying

I do understand the reasoning behind skip chain. I bought 3 loops when they were on sale. They did come from Wa though (FeeBay) No dealer around here carries it.

Go ahead and laugh guys, but I run a 28" bar on my ANCIENT Stihl 041AV Super (72cc) with a non skip chain and it drags that bar with ease, all day long, in any wood I throw at it.......I personally think a 25" bar would do fine on an 044. I plan on doing a big bore kit on the 046 I just picked up, and I'll be throwing a 32" on that one.....for an "intermediate" intermediate saw.......

Lots of torque in the older saws, though.....is it fast as hell? No. But it gets the job done and sounds like a hopped up Yamaha YZ 125 with the dual port muff. I built for it....

lukem said:

Sooooo....anyway.

Did you go feel up any saws at the Stihlership yet?

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STOP PRETENDING TO BE NEUTRAL!!

Looks like the 044 has the dual port muffler on it ? One of stihl best saws ever made you'll be happy with your purchase it will handle any firewood cutting needs you throw at it.

JOHN BOY said:

Looks like the 044 has the dual port muffler on it ? One of stihl best saws ever made you'll be happy with your purchase it will handle any firewood cutting needs you throw at it.

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I put the dual port on it. I have a Tri port on my 460.

The 044, 460, and 372's are gonna be go to saws. The 70cc class has the power to run through most chit I come across and do it with "Greatness"

Scotty - You know you are more than welcome!!

That saw sat in the AS classifieds for way to long Dex......you are lucky to have it. I think I started at least 2 PM's to the seller saying I would take it, but resisted and aborted. Glad you got it

Joful said:

<-- just bought three loops of skip to try, got the funny look.​

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I have 3 loops of skip (33RSF-91, 28") that my dealer damn near gave me because they were collecting dust on his shelf. Then again, most in these parts categorize their chain as "safety or aggressive". I bought the skips, a loop of Klassic square ground and 2 loops of yellow-label semi-chisel (33RM-72) all in the same sitting and they hardley noticed a difference among them. They think I'm "amusing".

Well when sharpening my chains a few days ago. I looked and am running full comp chisel chain on all the loops I have, even the original stihl that came on my saw 8 yrs ago. So now I have a 20" loops of skip to take back as my saw easily pulls the full comp 20"?? No idea who these guys are selling chains and saws too. I first told them I wanted full chisel chain the yellow one or whatever. I get a green safety chain?? I said what is the double taker think, luke I didn't know, they said that's safety chain???? What I said I don't want safety chain???