New Englander 13 will be here tomorrow!

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Jasper 83

Jasper 83

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Nov 26, 2011
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Hallieford, Va
Decided I missed my old Englander so I saved up a few bucks and bought a brand new 13. Should be here today or tomorrow? Ive never had a brand new stove. Should I burn it outside one time first? Gotta remove the Appalachian 4n1xl that a guy gave me last year. Gonna send that one back to him. I hated that stove and decided I didnt want to burn it another year.
 
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Jasper 83 said:
Decided I missed my old Englander so I saved up a few bucks and bought a brand new 13. Should be here today or tomorrow? Ive never had a brand new stove. Should I burn it outside one time first? Gotta remove the Appalachian 4n1xl that a guy gave me last year. Gonna send that one back to him. I hated that stove and decided I didnt want to burn it another year.
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There is no real need to burn it outside. I have had a few new stove, installed them and they were fine with the first burns. If you are getting it now and worried about odor, install it with the windows and screen doors open, burn it and you could put a fan near it to blow odors out but I really don't think it is necessary. The odor you get from opening the door with a lot of smoke is worse than breaking in a new stove. Good luck with your brand new Englander.
 
Jasper 83 said:
Should I burn it outside one time first?
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Up to you. If you have the ability to really move air out of the stove room to outside, it might not be a big deal. Be aware, it is going to smoke (the whole body) and stink one way or another. Also be aware - it is gonna smoke and stink at each new temp peak. Break in fires vary by stove/mfg but usually it is a succession of 3 fires starting small, then allowed to cool, then bigger....etc. See your manual for the specifics.

If it were me - I would do it outside, weather permitting.
 
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I would burn it outside and get it up to about 500F to bake the paint. Use some cheap pipe for a temp chimney. It is going to draft very poorly so you may need to keep the door slightly ajar to get it that hot.

This stove has a serious hearth insulation requirement. Is the current hearth up to spec for the 13 NC?
 
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I would burn it out side. I've done it both ways, but prefer outside.
 
Here's yer shirt.

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Burn it in outside.

When it gets to five hundred degrees and over you will see and smell why.

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BB - is you 30nc door open in the pics? Just curious because mine sits at about 4pm when shut and noticed yours is hanging at 6pm.

OP - if I had the option I would burn it outside. I did not get that option because the delivery crew brought it right in for me(for a small tip) and I was grateful for that. The burn in was not to bad as far as smell but it had my detectors buzzing and was a lil frustrating.
 
Congrats !!! And yes, double check hearth requirements ! Mine is on a slab, topped with ceramic tile, so no big deal. The tile actually radiates heat, which is a win/win (the tiles surrounding the stove).

Gotta pic somewhere. Gotta find it !
 
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BobUrban said:
BB - is you 30nc door open in the pics? Just curious because mine sits at about 4pm when shut and noticed yours is hanging at 6pm.
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Yeah. Had to keep it cracked open on a warm November day with a six foot pipe. The biggest problem was keep the leaves brushed off of it. They were falling like crazy.
 
Thanks for the replies. Gonna take it to the house today. My hearth should be good its concrete board with 4x4x2 concrete pavers on top of that
 
I dont think the weather is gonna let me burn it outside unfortunately. Oh well I can air the house out when it comes time I guess.
 
Jasper 83 said:
Thanks for the replies. Gonna take it to the house today. My hearth should be good its concrete board with 4x4x2 concrete pavers on top of that
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Not trying to beat this limping horse to death, but you really should calculate the "R" value of your hearth. The 13 has specifics that need to be meet for a code install. They are a bit higher than many stoves on the market. Its a safety thang.
 
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Not trying to beat this limping horse to death, but you really should calculate the "R" value of your hearth. The 13 has specifics that need to be meet for a code install. They are a bit higher than many stoves on the market. Its a safety thang.
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Ill double check but im pretty confident in it. Where can I find the R value of the concrete pavers and cement board?
 
Concrete has a pretty low R value, it's .095 according to Tom's chart. Common brick is much better. Cement board's value will depend on the brand and age. The highest is currently Durock NexGen @ R=.39

http://www.chimneysweeponline.com/horvalue.htm.
 
Jasper's hearth.

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It looks like the 24 IC has an easier hearth requirement:

"If your floor is made of a combustible material such
as hardwood, carpet or linoleum, you must have protection between the stove and the
floor. Any stove board that is purchased should be U.L. listed and rated."
 
Yeah according to that chart Im gonna have to do something. I really dont want to rebuild that hearth its not very old. I think to get me thru this year I am goin to buy a floor protector from Northern tool for 100 bucks and put it on the existing hearth pad and then out the stove on it. According to Northern the R value for it is 1.56 and my existing one comes up around .5 so that will give me a little over the required 2. Its hard to believe that 2" of concrete plus the cement board doesnt have enough insulating value. I guess Ill save some money and try to rebuild the hearth so it looks nice and is functional for this stove next year. Might look into taking up all the pavers and stacking some 4 more pieces of cement board underneath and putting the pavers back on.
 
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Might look into taking up all the pavers and stacking some 4 more pieces of cement board underneath and putting the pavers back on.
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I think you are on to something there. That might be the easy solution.
 
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Jags said:
I think you are on to something there. They might be the easy solution.
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The only problem i see with it is they were put down with thin set. Might be a lil messy and take some gentle beating to get them up
 
I wish it was easier to use airspace on a floor
 
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