So I need another stove.

Where in NJ?

Didn't the harman dude say there was TWO stoves somewhere or another?

Maybe Englander has a return/used something or another we can buy for a couple hundred? (I'll throw in some free ads for them or any other company that wants to contribute).

Speaking of that, I would think about giving a yearly dealer listing to any dealer who donated a stove (used, floor model, discontinued) of reasonable value - that's a $300 value and beside that the dealer gets rid of a dog.

I have some used pacific inserts and possibly a dutchwest insert I could donate. I would love the free advert. I will try to get you some pics tomorrow .

Great - PM or email Corie with the info and pics. When he gets any of the units, you get a years listing (for a retail shop if you have one) - or, if another type of business, some banners, etc.

Corie, PM or email jack so you can get started....

We are a wholesale distributor for Vermont Castings, Napolean, Selkirk MB, Breckwell, ST Croix pellet, Simpson DV etc. I was thinking of using the advertising to prospect for new retailers. I sold the pe and the dutchwest but I found a seville insert by vc. I sent Corie a link to the owners manual. I hope it works.

Jack Cohen
BAC Sales

Corie, I will donate some time and money for the NJ family. If that guy donates the insert, I can give something towards the the liner, chimney, beer, and pizza, etc. :coolsmile: Quick

hey guys count us in , i have an englander 13-nci lined up for the donor program.

Corie said:

More stoves that families! This is a first.



Jack has graciously offered a Seville Insert. I am in contact with both families now to decide which one will be the best fit for their home.




Mike, Let me send a few emails. I have families from last night that never got free-standing stoves and could really use them.


Thanks again to EVERYONE. This industry is amazing and I cannot wait to be a full time part of it.

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would a freestanding one do better, the 13-nci is an insert, but a 13 ncp or L is freestanding im sure i could swing one of those instead if better suited, either way man , just let me know i'll get you a stove

A strange thing about engineers is that they are often fixed in their outlook on things.....like it's hard to describe, but they sometimes only see one way of doing things rather than the multiple ways which you would think should be looked at. On one hand focus is good, but engineers that are more rounded and open are likely to be able to do better in certain industries.

There is a big difference between building roads and overpasses (fairly fixed in design) and thinking about stoves, installation, etc...... most engineers would make terrible installers and carpenters because - as I have always said, carpentry is the art of knowing how to cover up your mistakes. So when you can't get Cast to see your side of the story - always remember he is an engineer!

Some the the top hardware and software engineers at apple (including Woz himself) were out of left field and didn't even have degrees. Not as much that way anymore since current stuff is not as loose - these days they get assigned a little part of a big project and have to complete it. I doubt apple hired bums who sleep in their vans anymore....you need the degrees just to talk to HR.

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