Calm our fears!

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Ever taken a look at the fire inside your oil burner while it is running or the ring of fire inside a gas water heater? If you compare to those the flames inside your pellet stove might not seem like such a big deal.

The biggest thing to get used to for us after we installed our pellet stove was the bright light of the fire visible through the windows if we came home after dark.
 
Yup, what Evan_J said......That's what a dealer told us. Basically that your furnace has a flame running in it all the time.

We are on our 3rd winter. The 1st time we left the house with it running was a little scary, now we don't think twice about it
 
Since you have an insert, your fears should be twice reduced--- if for some one-off reason it DOES catch on fire, it's in a fireplace-- where fire is SUPPOSED to be in the first place.
 
I leave both my wood insert in the basement running and my pellet stove running most of the time in the winter. I load it up before I leave and it burns out about 1 or 2 pm. Restart it when I get home. My pellet stove is on a thermostat that I have programmed at a higher temp at 5 pm so it kicks on. Always on when I get home.

As long as you keep 'em clean the only factor is a failure. If you have a safe stove it will do its job.
 
I am a fire investigator and I echo everyone else's comments. Pellet stoves are designed with fireboxes to contain the fire and safeties to shut the unit down if problems arise. Though there will always be exceptions to every rule, if they are installed and maintained properly, then in general they are pretty safe unless they were not properly designed or manufactured in the first place. In that respect, they are more like an oil or a gas furnace which most people leave unattended while sleeping than a woodstove. They cause less fires then woodstoves, because woodstoves generally have the ability to ignite combustibles if accidentally contact the outside and have a much greater chance of a chimney fire than a pellet stove. Beyond installation errors related to improper clearance to combustibles, a contributing factor with pellet stoves and woodstoves really relates to cleaning. Make sure that the stove and chimney/liner is kept clean and all combustibles are kept away. After cleaning don't leave ashes in your vacuum or in a trash bag in the house, even if you believe they are cool because there is always a chance of a smoldering ember. Always dispose of ashes in a sealed metal container stored away from combustibles or outside away from the house.

One last question... Do you run your clothes dryer when you are sleeping? As Smokey mentioned, most people associate stoves with visible flames as a danger but don't realize there are a bunch of other appliances in their home that can cause fires, beyond furnaces and stoves. There is a risk of fire in every home in the country, which is why having working fire detection is really important! And like others have mentioned, working smoke detectors and carbon monoxide detectors should alert you of any issues with your pellet stove when you are home. If you are concerned about when you are not home, then a monitored fire alarm system might be something you should look into.
 
I am a fire investigator and I echo everyone else's comments. Pellet stoves are designed with fireboxes to contain the fire and safeties to shut the unit down if problems arise. Though there will always be exceptions to every rule, if they are installed and maintained properly, then in general they are pretty safe unless they were not properly designed or manufactured in the first place. In that respect, they are more like an oil or a gas furnace which most people leave unattended while sleeping than a woodstove. They cause less fires then woodstoves, because woodstoves generally have the ability to ignite combustibles if accidentally contact the outside and have a much greater chance of a chimney fire than a pellet stove. Beyond installation errors related to improper clearance to combustibles, a contributing factor with pellet stoves and woodstoves really relates to cleaning. Make sure that the stove and chimney/liner is kept clean and all combustibles are kept away. After cleaning don't leave ashes in your vacuum or in a trash bag in the house, even if you believe they are cool because there is always a chance of a smoldering ember. Always dispose of ashes in a sealed metal container stored away from combustibles or outside away from the house.

One last question... Do you run your clothes dryer when you are sleeping? As Smokey mentioned, most people associate stoves with visible flames as a danger but don't realize there are a bunch of other appliances in their home that can cause fires, beyond furnaces and stoves. There is a risk of fire in every home in the country, which is why having working fire detection is really important! And like others have mentioned, working smoke detectors and carbon monoxide detectors should alert you of any issues with your pellet stove when you are home. If you are concerned about when you are not home, then a monitored fire alarm system might be something you should look into.



i gotta tell ya mike,

GREAT POST! IMHO worthy of a place in the hearth wiki

good job
 
i gotta tell ya mike,

GREAT POST! IMHO worthy of a place in the hearth wiki

good job

Thanks, been lurking for a long time but since I finally joined I might as well contribute. I look at fire differently than most and have seen quite a bit in my career. I work in the private industry as a consultant so I see what happens in respect to the after effects of a fire as people experience them and all the things that happen long after the fire damage has been repaired, like lawsuits for product liability, negligence, etc.
 
I have been woken up twice from my boiler caching fire from defective nozzles in the boiler. Have only woken up to a cold house with the pellet stove.
 
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I am a fire investigator and I echo everyone else's comments. Pellet stoves are designed with fireboxes to contain the fire and safeties to shut the unit down if problems arise. Though there will always be exceptions to every rule, if they are installed and maintained properly, then in general they are pretty safe unless they were not properly designed or manufactured in the first place. In that respect, they are more like an oil or a gas furnace which most people leave unattended while sleeping than a woodstove. They cause less fires then woodstoves, because woodstoves generally have the ability to ignite combustibles if accidentally contact the outside and have a much greater chance of a chimney fire than a pellet stove. Beyond installation errors related to improper clearance to combustibles, a contributing factor with pellet stoves and woodstoves really relates to cleaning. Make sure that the stove and chimney/liner is kept clean and all combustibles are kept away. After cleaning don't leave ashes in your vacuum or in a trash bag in the house, even if you believe they are cool because there is always a chance of a smoldering ember. Always dispose of ashes in a sealed metal container stored away from combustibles or outside away from the house.

One last question... Do you run your clothes dryer when you are sleeping? As Smokey mentioned, most people associate stoves with visible flames as a danger but don't realize there are a bunch of other appliances in their home that can cause fires, beyond furnaces and stoves. There is a risk of fire in every home in the country, which is why having working fire detection is really important! And like others have mentioned, working smoke detectors and carbon monoxide detectors should alert you of any issues with your pellet stove when you are home. If you are concerned about when you are not home, then a monitored fire alarm system might be something you should look into.

This is consistent with what my local fire inspector told me. He's been on the fire department for more than 25 years and told me that he has seen "far more" fires in wood stoves than pellet stoves. I never did ask him what the reason was, but in his opinion, he thought pellet stoves were exponentially safer than regular wood burning stoves. He told me that he had only come across a pellet stove fire once in his career, and according to him, the stove wasn't installed correctly.
 
My only problem over the years was with my cast-iron coal boiler - was trying to start it and propped open the draft control. The I went upstairs and a phone call came in...and I forgot complete about it....

UNTIL.......

But, other than that, we ran multiple wood and pellet stoves at home and at our shop (owned a couple stove stores) for 25+ years with no problems related to fire getting out of the box. We also sold many thousands and didn't hear of any problems not related to stupidity....

Over the years there were reports of some gas units blowing the glass out....that was actually a bigger problem than wood or pellet stoves!
 
Don't buy a stove made in China. They can't even make jerky right.

I like that!!!

Relax… enjoy the heat.
 
frankly, i have for years gotten up and left for work with my wife and child asleep in their beds with our pellet stoves running unattended.

pellet stoves are very safe, with proper protections in place such as smoke and CO detectors in place to monitor the environment. to be honest regardless of the heating system being used , be it gas, oil, wood or pellet , if it uses fire to make heat YOU GOTTA HAVE SMOKE AND CO DETECTORS IN PLACE! period.

back to pellet though. i see the Op has a Thelin unit, its a solid unit made by a solid company, they make beautiful stoves, and have as good a safety record as anyone on the market. nice choice BTW i do love their look.

Now THAT'S classy…..
 
Thank you to each and everyone. Very informative.
 
Question is , can you get a chimney fire with a pellet stove? I thought the ash won't burn after its burned once..


anything is possible, but to get that much unburned fuel in the flue the stove would either have to be absolutely choked or have a serious defect in it (and that type of defect would likely be apparent long before you got to that stage).

chimney fires are usually found in flues that are servicing traditional wood burners (log stoves) and even they generally only happen when bad practices are being used. and they do not benefit from the redundant safeties built into a modern pellet stove. ash in a flue isn't going to burn, creosote (which is primarily made up of unburned fuel that escapes the firebox and is trapped in the flue) will. typically though pellet fires are so hot and intense that creosote deposits should not form in a well maintained pellet vent connected to a well maintained stove


simply put, a well maintained pellet stove will be as reliable as "Lassie" , a badly maintained one is the starved rottie next door. just follow the maintenance schedule get used to the stove. after a while you will get the hang of pellet burning and you'll think back to this and chuckle.
 
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Question is , can you get a chimney fire with a pellet stove? I thought the ash won't burn after its burned once..

Chimney fires can result with any system that burns wood in any form. What burns isn't ash but creosote. A properly operated and operating pellet stove system doesn't generate creosote in the quantity needed to cause issues in the vent system.

First the fire burns at a very high temperature and if you have a proper vent system and maintain it any creosote generated gets ejected from the system.

The biggest cause of fires in the vents of pellet stoves is not having the sections of the vent properly joined together or a joint inside a wall or the thimble. These vents when hit can allow an opening to form and then that hot exhaust can go to work on wood, etc...
 
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Chimney fires can result with any system that burns wood in any form. What burns isn't ash but creosote. A properly operated and operating pellet stove system doesn't generate creosote in the quantity needed to cause issues in the vent system.

First the fire burns at a very high temperature and if you have a proper vent system and maintain it any creosote generated gets ejected from the system.

The biggest cause of fires in the vents of pellet stoves is not having the sections of the vent properly joined together or a joint inside a wall or the thimble. These vents when hit can allow an opening to form and then that hot exhaust can go to work on wood, etc...

I see, It maybe better not to run your pellet stove on the low setting for extended periods, as it does not generate much heat, would that be a good advice for pellet stove owners to follow?
 
I see, It maybe better not to run your pellet stove on the low setting for extended periods, as it does not generate much heat, would that be a good advice for pellet stove owners to follow?


It would be better to say don't run your pellet stove with an improper fuel to air ratio, but in general the lowest firing rate tends to be the dirtiest and hardest to adjust, that is why in addition to things like dampers there are trim controls for both fuel feeds and combustion air on a number of stoves.

You can safely run with a mismatch in your fuel air mixture provided the exhaust temperature is high enough to prevent the creosote from condensing out or you keep the venting clean.

Like most things pellet stove related cleaning is the number one line of defense against things that make the stove not work right or possibly cause really bad things to happen.
 
I see, It maybe better not to run your pellet stove on the low setting for extended periods, as it does not generate much heat, would that be a good advice for pellet stove owners to follow?


not necessarily, pellet stoves unlike wood stoves have the advantage of a controlled air fuel ratio, as yo turn your stove up and down the fuel AND the air are adjusted to maintain the same ratio which keeps a good clean burn remember its a smaller pipe only about 7 sq inches of cross sectional value (1.5 squared X Pi ) where a six inch flue has 28.26 (if i remember correctly (had a beer or two) 3 squared X Pi)) and its an insulated pipe so staying above 211F being the key to avoid creosote buildup, in a short pipe with very little surface area and insulation, its possible but not likely in a properly sealed and maintained system. most pellet stove owners run in the lower ranges predominantly anyway. unlike a woodburner where choking it back changes the air fuel ratio as the fuel is already preloaded in the fire and causes a very "rich" burn, pellet stoves tend to hold a similar ratio all the way through as both air AND fuel are introduced on a schedule
 
45 posts?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on!!!!!! Turn the darn thing on and just feed it, clean it and forget it already!
 
45 posts?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!! Come on!!!!!! Turn the darn thing on and just feed it, clean it and forget it already!

Now calm down tj :p.

Some folks need more hand holding than others.

Personally, I worry more about the clothes dryer than the pellet stove. The boss being one who does a lot of sewing our dryer sees a lot of fabric and a lot of lint as a result. So much sometimes that I stop the dryer and clean the lint trap mid cycle.
 
Now calm down tj :p.

Some folks need more hand holding than others.

Personally, I worry more about the clothes dryer than the pellet stove. The boss being one who does a lot of sewing our dryer sees a lot of fabric and a lot of lint as a result. So much sometimes that I stop the dryer and clean the lint trap mid cycle.
hahaha!!! You hit the nail on the head, Smokey! Just got done sewing the Halloween ghost costume for my grand daughter! Half way through, the darn old machine quit! Had to COMPLETELY take it apart and found a plastic gear broken that allows you to switch from stitch style to stitch style. Of course, you can't buy the darn gear. You have to but the ENTIRE cam mechanism for $160! I can buy an NEW electronic machine for that! So I manually worked it back to straight stitch mode, put it back together, and finished the costume! Come to find out on forums that the lousy plastic gear is the cause for MANY of the machines to end up in the scrap yard!

As for the stove, same here. I don't even think about it except to dump in enough pellets for the night. Between this topic and the one about macho bragging about how many tons I can haul in my half ton pickup, I go bonkers! We have an offspring this year where we're bragging about how many tons we can haul in the SUV! OMG! Shows how far we go to prove social media is a waste of time!
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Ouch on the sewing machine issue, the boss has four machines and an over-lock/serger unit. The newest machine is about 14 years old, the oldest is over 30. Only one is in need of repair at the moment. A year or so ago three were, I took care of two and the service guy a few towns away took care of the third one. Parts get to be a royal pain and some repairs I leave to someone with more patience than I.

You still have to let folks enjoy talking about pellet hauling, besides they probably get put out with the OT sewing talk.

Sorry guys, but when there is a seamstress in residence you learn a lot about a lot of small moving parts in computer controlled whirly gigs and how to sew.
 
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