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The tech called back and disagreed completely with me on the upgrade.. he said he is certain its capable of handling it. Disagreement aside he said they would swap it out for the t6/summit recertify the install and remove the old stove for 1381....

Let's be sure the T6 is the stove for you: When the T5 is burning hot, how well is it heating your home?
 
If it were only the $500 difference i wouldn't be concerned but who knows what they are going to charge.

That's all they're really entitled to, at most (considering your discomfort in having to go through 2 installs only because of their f-up) imo, based on your saying they talked you out of the right stove, and you relied on their "expertise". If you were a lawyer, or had a lawyer relative or close friend, he'd probably be able to talk them into only charging you the difference in price if not less.

Edit: I don't think I'd argue with them about the price, until after they swap out the stoves (other than indicating you figure the difference should only be $x).
 
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Fire Triange Fire = Heat, Oxygen, and Fuel Burn times are going to be impacted by adjusting any one of these variables. More fuel with same levels of air should burn longer. Same fuel with less air should burn longer. Hotter fire burn quick cooler fire burn slow. One thing that you might find, contradicting the "larger split" suggestion is seeing if at least some smaller splits allows more fuel to be loaded in the stove and packed tighter. Maybe a good mix of large and small and making sure you can get the air turned all the way down.
 
Regarding the chimney and height, is this an existing tiled chimney, or did they insert a liner? If there is a liner, and the chimney is really 40 plus feet, a damper could help with wood consumption and heat output. If the elbow in the picture dumps into the brick chase and directly into a tiled flue, I may question overdraft as an issue.

I'll repeat, a blower does make a huge difference.

Nonetheless, IMHO, a t5 and 3000 sq ft of drafty house is not gonna cut it.
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Regarding the chimney and height, is this an existing tiled chimney, or did they insert a liner? If there is a liner, and the chimney is really 40 plus feet, a damper could help with wood consumption and heat output.

Nonetheless, IMHO, a t5 and 3000 sq ft of drafty house is not gonna cut it.

I'll repeat, a blower does make a huge difference.
Even with a blower and a damper, the T6 is needed.
 
Thanks for all the feedback, the attached graph is the readings from my sensors for yesterday. My wife started the fire when she got home from work and by the time i got home there was a good coal bed for me to refuel. She had used softwood to get it going and i had added in some fairly large splits of Maple.

I can do a similar test tonight but fill the firebox completely. 20131105 Temperature Log.jpg
 
It that single wall connector pipe? If so, get a damper in the pipe before starting the stove up again and pick up a stove thermometer too.
 
Ah, double wall will require a piece with the damper built in. Can you get one from the dealer?
 
I would move forward on getting the larger stove. Not sure if the T6 is the right stove, but it will be a lot better than the T5 for your application. When the new stove is installed, get the damper put in at the same time. I would go with the 30NC or the Blaze King King based on your size, insulation and posted room temps. We aren't even close to the coldest part of the burning season.
 
If you can afford it, I would go with the King using a 6" liner and see how it runs. That is what I would do.
 
BrowningBar- It seems like more and more members here are subscribing to your method of blaming the stove dealers when someone doesn't get the perfect stove for them every time. While I know that is an impossibility, I'm thinking stove dealers strive for that. I wonder what business line are YOU in?? With your obvious wealth of knowledge about stoves and their operation, maybe you should step up to the plate and serve the people. Maybe you could be a "dealer or stove salesman, who are for the most part uneducated clowns"?? You offend people who actually do try and help others with your snideness. I have backed off on my participating here on this forum because of yours and others' comments to that effect. I think I'll just stick to taking peoples' money for numbers and having no concern if they get a helpful appliance to help heat their home. Have a nice day.
 
BrowningBar- It seems like more and more members here are subscribing to your method of blaming the stove dealers when someone doesn't get the perfect stove for them every time. While I know that is an impossibility, I'm thinking stove dealers strive for that. I wonder what business line are YOU in?? With your obvious wealth of knowledge about stoves and their operation, maybe you should step up to the plate and serve the people. Maybe you could be a "dealer or stove salesman, who are for the most part uneducated clowns"?? You offend people who actually do try and help others with your snideness. I have backed off on my participating here on this forum because of yours and others' comments to that effect. I think I'll just stick to taking peoples' money for numbers and having no concern if they get a helpful appliance to help heat their home. Have a nice day.
Cant help but think browningbar statement is true wth some dealers just as it could be with any other salesperson selling any thing but you bring up a valid point, there are many good dealers out there.
 
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BrowningBar- It seems like more and more members here are subscribing to your method of blaming the stove dealers when someone doesn't get the perfect stove for them every time. While I know that is an impossibility, I'm thinking stove dealers strive for that. I wonder what business line are YOU in?? With your obvious wealth of knowledge about stoves and their operation, maybe you should step up to the plate and serve the people. Maybe you could be a "dealer or stove salesman, who are for the most part uneducated clowns"?? You offend people who actually do try and help others with your snideness. I have backed off on my participating here on this forum because of yours and others' comments to that effect. I think I'll just stick to taking peoples' money for numbers and having no concern if they get a helpful appliance to help heat their home. Have a nice day.
Hey stovelark, I remember you were very helpful when i was on here looking for advice on a new stove. Im very happy with the enviro so far. Thanks for the help.
 
I am going to follow up with the dealer today to see if they can do any better on the t6 replacement.Not having to tear up my hearth would be a big plus to sticking with the t6 over some of the other models mentioned as my time is short in over the next two months and my wife will be left to deal with the stove primarily. Is there a difference between the summit and the t6, the dealer used the two interchangeably.
 
They have the same firebox but a different shell outside. The T6 is cast iron which will give you a more even heat plus the warming shelves/cooktop. To compare them side-by-side look here:
http://www.chimneysweeponline.com/fswood.htm
 
BrowningBar- It seems like more and more members here are subscribing to your method of blaming the stove dealers when someone doesn't get the perfect stove for them every time. While I know that is an impossibility, I'm thinking stove dealers strive for that. I wonder what business line are YOU in?? With your obvious wealth of knowledge about stoves and their operation, maybe you should step up to the plate and serve the people. Maybe you could be a "dealer or stove salesman, who are for the most part uneducated clowns"?? You offend people who actually do try and help others with your snideness. I have backed off on my participating here on this forum because of yours and others' comments to that effect. I think I'll just stick to taking peoples' money for numbers and having no concern if they get a helpful appliance to help heat their home. Have a nice day.

I agree, there are good apples and bad apples as in any profession. When I shopped for a stove my experience was also a mixed bag even within the same stove shop. (One owner quoted me a slammer install. When I came back later his daughter(!) highly recommended a full liner instead.) Nevertheless, I am sure there are a lot of knowledgeable stove sales people like you out there that try their best to serve their customers. We may just not hear as much about them as those customers are burning without problems.

Stovelark, I just wish owners like you would not give up but instead stand up for your profession. It is stove sellers like you who can change the perception.
 
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BrowningBar- It seems like more and more members here are subscribing to your method of blaming the stove dealers when someone doesn't get the perfect stove for them every time. While I know that is an impossibility, I'm thinking stove dealers strive for that. I wonder what business line are YOU in?? With your obvious wealth of knowledge about stoves and their operation, maybe you should step up to the plate and serve the people. Maybe you could be a "dealer or stove salesman, who are for the most part uneducated clowns"?? You offend people who actually do try and help others with your snideness. I have backed off on my participating here on this forum because of yours and others' comments to that effect. I think I'll just stick to taking peoples' money for numbers and having no concern if they get a helpful appliance to help heat their home. Have a nice day.

The fact that you do participate here puts you a step above MANY dealers and salespersons.

As an example, the guy I bought my BK from opened up the door on a Summit half full of coals, tossed in a few oak splits, and closed the door. I watched for about ten minutes until the water started foaming out the ends.

The Summit/T6 also has EBT. That was recently redesigned. Make sure you get a current model.
http://chimneysweeponline.com/hoebt.htm
 
BrowningBar- It seems like more and more members here are subscribing to your method of blaming the stove dealers when someone doesn't get the perfect stove for them every time. While I know that is an impossibility, I'm thinking stove dealers strive for that. I wonder what business line are YOU in?? With your obvious wealth of knowledge about stoves and their operation, maybe you should step up to the plate and serve the people. Maybe you could be a "dealer or stove salesman, who are for the most part uneducated clowns"?? You offend people who actually do try and help others with your snideness. I have backed off on my participating here on this forum because of yours and others' comments to that effect. I think I'll just stick to taking peoples' money for numbers and having no concern if they get a helpful appliance to help heat their home. Have a nice day.

Yes, getting upset at mefor highlighting the obvious problems with the bad dealer networks that exists in the wood stove industry is a good plan. My post shouldn't have offended anyone, unless you are part of the problem. If you are a dealer that isn't a clown, and there are several here that clearly know their product and bring great, honest service to the community, you should take comfort in knowing that you aren't lumped in with the uneducated masses.

Or you could get all pissy about it. Your call.

But, in the end, there is a huge problem with the dealer networks in the wood stove industry.
 
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I think the chimney is part of the problem. The draft is too strong. I suspect that the flame is being sucked right up the flue. If this is the case a T6 is not going to solve the strong draft issue. Your stove shop should have caught this. Anything over 30ft. is considered too tall. The stove prefers a chimney half the current height.


Before giving up on the T5 put in a simple key damper about 18" above the flue collar on the stove. After the stove is burning strongly, close the key damper all the way. That should slow down the burn a lot and dramatically increase the heat output of the stove.


Note, the Summit should be about $150 less than the T6. What other brand stoves do they sell?


I did another test last night and I was able to get better burn time out of the stove… I think that one of my issues was the handle was not seating the door properly. I had to give it a good whack a couple of times and open and close the latch to get it to go fully into position easily (easier…)


I lit a starter fire with softwood and let that burn down to coals. Then I loaded the red hot coal bed with three large splits of yellow birch. Once the fire was fully involved (after 10 minutes or so) I closed the intake completely (previously I had only been moving it to L but it will go about 1.5 inches past that) The fire burned with a lazy waving flame that didn’t look like it was being sucked directly out of the stove.


I figure I was about to get about 7 hours of heat from the stove.. which was better but my temperature readings on the three floors weren’t that different from the ones I posted previously.


When I purchased the stove they had told me to only set it to L and not all the way closed. I had played with this in the past and the fires had died down very quickly / went out and I think the wood from the last batch had a bit too much moisture in it.
 
The T6 was installed this morning, i can see a noticeable difference in the size of the firebox and i'm really looking forward to testing it out after some initial smaller fires.

I have been using an electric fan to blow air around and i'm wondering if anyone can offer a suggestions for an aftermarket stove fan?
 

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Doesn't the T6 have a blower option?
 
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