A case where a Harman room temp sensor needs relocating

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P38X2

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Mar 11, 2012
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Jaffrey, NH
The other night I saw my new P68 doing something my P38 never did. It was the first significantly cold night since I installed this stove. Temps were around 15 degrees overnight, following a day of 30 degree temps. I looked over and saw the stove cranking pretty good, a bit more than I thought it should've been. About 10 min later it was back to an idle. I figured I'd just come in and out a few times bringing in groceries and the stove was simply reacting to the sensor temp. About 10 min later and the beast was CRANKING this time. 10 min after that and it was back to an idle, dist fan OFF. Hmm. Sure enough the cycle kept repeating for an hour or so, until finally, it calmed itself down and behaved like a good little Harman. I recently had a 5 day old ESP replaced, so I knew that wasn't the issue.

I figured 2 different things were happening, both combining to cause the issue in a cause and effect sort of way. Repeatedly opening the door caused a bunch of cold air to reach the sensor, which told the stove to ramp up significantly for about 10 min, followed by the first idling down. During that burn ,a sizable slug of hot air made its way upstairs, displacing and forcing a slug of cold air back down the stairs, through the fan at the bottom and back towards the stove, where the problem soon compounded itself. In reaction to the extended cooler than normal temps the sensor was reading, the stove maxed out for another 10 min, this time, I think, heat sinking the sensor in the process. This is when the stove idled down again, this time turning off the distribution blower. This behavior went on 3-4 more cycles.

Since Harman decided to foolishly skimp out on the sensor wire length, my options for placement were limited. I ended up extending the wire another 10', putting the sensor about 14' feet from the stove. Problem solved.

My P38 also had a short sensor wire, although maybe 1' longer, but never had this issue. I don't think it was capable of heat sinking the sensor, and certainly didn't have the output to displace as much air in the same amount of time as a P68.

So, if any of you guys are noticing your stove doing this, especially if you're in a 2 story house, you may wanna reassess your sensor location.
 
My sensor just hangs coiled behind the stove, the dealer said that was the best place for it, since the fan will be pulling room temp air in past the sensor. I hooked up a remote thermo this winter to try out. Have been running in manual with the stat hooked up.
 
One of the reasons why I bought a wireless tstat. Room temp sensor location flexibility.
Does the stove behave the same, ie; variable burn?...or does it become full throttle/idle or off? What tstat do you have?
 
It does not do variable throttle but that is fine with me because I run in room temp manual 95% of the time. I have the dial on the stove set to around 80 and the tstat set to 68 while we are away and 72 while we are home. The tstat just acts as a switch because I have it wired in series with the room probe. I bought the skytech 3301P.
 
It does not do variable throttle but that is fine with me because I run in room temp manual 95% of the time. I have the dial on the stove set to around 80 and the tstat set to 68 while we are away and 72 while we are home. The tstat just acts as a switch because I have it wired in series with the room probe. I bought the skytech 3301P.
Thanks. I'm not sure that would work for me. I need a more stable convention current. Sounds like a slick setup though.
 
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My sensor just hangs coiled behind the stove, the dealer said that was the best place for it, since the fan will be pulling room temp air in past the sensor. I hooked up a remote thermo this winter to try out. Have been running in manual with the stat hooked up.
My dealer told me the same thing. I have only been running in Stove Temp so far though.
 
Thanks. I'm not sure that would work for me. I need a more stable convention current. Sounds like a slick setup though.

If you'd consider a wireless thermostat, but want more consistent heat from the on/off action, then just dial back your feed rate a bit to lengthen the cycles. You can also set the skytech for a +/+1 degree swing to keep things even as well. Only way to fly with a Harman, IMO...
 
I just hooked up my Skytech and tried to run the program stuff and decided that setting the temp dial around 80 on the stove and the switch to manual on my P43 I just set the remote to 72 or 72 and it keeps the room and my whole house pretty consistent. In the morning I get up and lower the temp to maybe 65 for the day, and when I come home I turn it back up.
Mine is set to 1 on the temp swing, it radiates heat constantly and the stat turns on the distribution blower and ramps up the feed when needed. So far I like it. I think my feed rate is set at 3 currently.
 
Just to clarify, when the Skytech (or any other brand) stat calls for heat, does the stove go from an idle to full throttle and always burn that way (either min OR max with no in between, assuming it's on manual), or does it ramp up according to the algorithm in the stove board, continuing to behave as if the Harman room sensor was still in use?

My concern is running into the same issue in the first post, with the stove repeatedly emitting bursts of hot air and never finding a happy medium that matches my homes heat loss as smoothly and closely as possible.
 
When my stat calls for heat, the distribution blower comes on and the fire also starts to burn hotter more flame more feed what ever you want to call it. when the stat is happy the distribution blower shuts down and the stove returns to maintenance burn until the stat wants heat again. my place is only about 1000 sq feet one main room, 2 bedrooms and a bath. ceilings are low, and it is built inside a concrete block building, only has 2 outside walls, so the low flame with the stove just radiating heat off at this time of year seems to keep the place warm, my stat is set at 70 and the blower has not come on since yesterday outside temps are in the low 50's today so that helps. The nice thing with the remote stat is that if you want temp in a certain area of the house within reason you just move the stat to that location.
 
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