Whitfield Prodigy II exhaust fan issues

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Snowy Rivers

Minister of Fire
Feb 7, 2010
1,810
NW Oregon
With the season still going here, I decided to clean the Prodigy 2 tonight as we are now entering the time of year that we use it the most (The shoulders, or the off and on season)

Well the exhaust fan has been making a nasty ratttling noise in there, so I decided to take a look and see if I could fix it without tearing the "Little Child" apart.

The fan on these little beasts is located in the exhaust housing which is astride of the center of the hopper.
The vent goes out the top rear.
The fan motor is in a little compartment off of the RH front of the hopper area and has a small open frame motor in there with a shaft thats about 4 plus inches long.
The exhaust fan is in the housing and a cooler fan for the motor sits in a venturi housing just outside the exhaust housing and it pulls air past the motor from an opening on the RH side of the stove.

The fan was originally installed way too close to the RH side of the housing and ony had about 1/16" clearance.

If the stove was leaned on when filling it, the chassis would move just enough to cause the exhaust fan to hit the side of the stove, making a nasty rattling scraping sound.

Also the entire assembly was setting up a harmonic droning noise due to accumulations of carbon on the blades.

OK

Tonight I removed the access plug and went to work with a brass brush and cleaned all the crap off the blades until I got it well cleaned.
I carefully scraped all the carbon from behind the blades but even then the clearance was not enough to really fix the issue.

Went and got some long T handle allen wrenches from my tool box and set about working to remove the single set screw that held the blade to the shaft. "Yeah Right" after all these years and smoke and hot and cold and such, oh and two chimney fires too.

I carefully cleaned the allen screw out until I could get the proper one to fit all the way in.

Next I applied a liberal amount of "Skunk Piss" (penetrant) to the area and waited a bit.
well I really did not figure there was much chance of getting that screw out, at least not with things still usable afterwards.

I inserted the wrench well and tried a test "TWIST" and no go. The wrench twisted a lot and I was getting nervous, so I let up.

went and got the propane torch that I use to light the stoves and heated the area around the screw quite well.

OK now the house really stinks from the burnt penetrant thats smoking.

One more try and I pushed the limits as far as I figured I dare, all of a sudden "POP" I swing the flashlight in there and WOW< COOL< the screw is loose.

The next thing is will the fan turn on the shaft ?????

The outer cooling fan has a smaller screw and it happened to be aligned with the one inside, WOW another good thing.
I inserted a T handled allen into that one and then wiggled the exhaust fan back and forth and with a little bit of that the fan worked right out and away from the casting wall. YESSSSSSSSSSSS.

Secured the set screw and finished cleaning the area up.

With the entire assembly cleaned and back together its all ready to go.

I was not looking forward to having to remove the entire exhaust casting to get to the fan.

It now runs nice and smooth with WAY less noise and vibes and does not scrape the inside of the housing any longer.

The house is still a tad warm as the large whit has been running all day.

with it shut off now I will fire the little fellow here in about an hour or two and let it run for the night.

Looks like other than the usual deep cleaning and oiling, I will not need to do much to the little stove before it is let sit for the summer.

I am thinking seriously about ordering a new fan and motor assembly to have on the shelf.

This is an ODD duck and our friends at wood heat stoves carry these parts.

The Prodigy uses the same feed motor as the advantage, so likely I will buy a spare one of those too.

Definately a great day here at my house.
Been lamenting on this issue for some time and really did not want to tear into it.

The worry was, "if I break the thing" its down until I can get parts!!

Well all the worry is over now.

Have a nice Easter fellow Pellet Piggies.

Snowy
 
Good Work Snowy!

You can work on my stoves anytime! Happy Easter :)
 
Thanks Don

well I fired the "Little Child" off around 10 last evening and got it going well.
Headed off to bed and got up around 6 this morning.

Little critter is running better than it ever has before.

Moving that fan blade closer to baffle plate thats in the exhaust housing not only stopped it from rubbing on the housing, it is letting the fan work better to draw air through the stove.

This having beed a used stove when I bought it, there is no way to know who has done what to the thing over the years its been used.

Possibly the fan and motor was changed, but no way to know.

Anyway, the first thing I noticed this morning was that the glass in the door was very clean, and this has never happened after an all nighter on low setting.

One thing is for sure, it was worth the time in doing that bit of maintenance.

Tomorrow I may dig into the lower end and lube the room air/draft fan (these stoves use one fan as a room air fan and a combustion booster)

All seems to be well.

Really like this little stove, just the perfect size for the times that we need just a little heat, plus being a good helper when the weather is cold and its larger brother can't quite do it.

Snowy
 
Hi Snowy

That's great, sometimes those older motors can be serviced and if that is done they can really last long!

Last week I went over my friends again withe the Magnum Baby Countryside. I got the stove itself working really great and then it got plugged up and quit in a little over a month!

So finally, I did something that the stove dealer, the stove installer and NoOne else ever did. RTM (Read The Manual!) BTW The dealer is out of business now!)

The owner's manual had a nice diagram and said see this? ok Don't Do it, and here is why!
Fantastic how good that manual is! But guess what? Yes, believe it or not the installers did it!

See pics and diagram in manual > https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads...r-magnum-baby-countryside.85610/#post-1103066
 
I love the direct venting set up.

Easy to pop the cap and suck the entire thing out with the leaf blower.
all done in a few seconds.

Since I moved the fan blade, the little WHIT is really drafting well.

I may remove the clean-out plug and move the fan a tad more to place the edge of the blades closer to the central baffle where the gases come out around from the heat exchanger.

With the fan back away from the baffle, the air flow was likely cavitating rather than flowing out through the blades.

Anyway, when I turned the Prodigy off before I came down here to the shop the window was still clean.

Airflow is a good thing.

Snowy
 
Hi Snowy,
New to the forum, just purchased a prodigy 2 cleaned it an fired it off yesterday. The exhaust booster fan is wired for variable speed and needs replaced. It has a lot of play and drag in the armature although it still turns, it won't come up to full speed and big time vibrates. Couple of questions, Do you run your fan at line voltage or slaved to the blower? Mine is wired to run variable with the blower and am thinking of wiring it to run at full speed continuously. Thoughts?

Second question although kind of related. One of the reasons the guy sold the stove was that it kept throwing a high limit snap located at the back of the feeder tube and he saw smoke in the hopper. I watched it yesterday and it threw a high snap when it got low on pellets. I was watching the action of the flame on 5 and when the pellets got low enough to barely expose the auger inside the hopper, I noticed some smoke coming out of the bottom of the feed tube in the hopper. This is also when the the exhaust fan was struggling to run I'm going to say it was at quarter to half speed. By replacing this fan, will it create enough negative pressure to prevent the flame from pushing into the tube or do you think I may have another issue understanding that proper draft is key?? I have a separate big E pellet stove in my garage and the hopper cover has a gasket on it, must stay closed during operation and is switch protected to kill the auger when opened so that flames cant push there way up the feed tube finding another path to exhaust and ignite the pellets in the hopper. My Prodigy is not that way. No sealed hopper so when it gets low enough on pellets, it creates a clear enough path for the stove to find another means of exhaust which is through the tube heating it to the point the high LS opens and kills the blower just before the stove runs out of pellets.

Am I on base with this and have you seen this in your stove? I really like the stove and it is in very good shape however, I dont want to put this in my house thinking its not burning right or having it keep overheating.

Thanks and Merry Christmas,
Bob
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@Bob P.

The thread you replied to is over a year and a half old. If you don't get the help you need, don't hesitate to start a new thread on the subject.

Welcome to the site, good luck, and Merry Christmas to you as well!

pen
 
@Bob P.,

What kind of shiny exhaust vent is that in your photo? You'll want to make sure it is pellet stove rated.
 
Pen,
I just started a new thread as you suggested. Thanks.... and as for that shiny pipe, I just used it to fire it off. wrapped in rock wool going out the window. Good eyes!!

Bob
 
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