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I understand storage and wouldn't go ahead without it. Many thanks for ALL the replies, can never have too much info.

On the effecta what do you mean non cycle???? If that means I have to reset for each burn that's a huge neg. I would only need a 50-100k unit. Not including the shop or barn, the HL is only 39kbtu for the house. Our grand marais cabin had an aqua therm and it was pretty easy to maintain and operate.

Wood for me is free , I have endless supply and until I get picky about specie it's all cut and split in Apple bins ready to go. I would prefer the Chinese elm or Brazilian cherry to oak, since it's about double the btu's if I were real concerned about the volume. I'm thinking anything I burn is saving me money, even if its only $750-$1000 per year. That will about cover my liscense's and CE's that the man keeps raising and implementing. Anything saved is a help these days.
 
You have to REALLY enjoy processing wood and playing with fire if you are only going to be saving $1000/year. Great for you if thats the case! Me, i am offsetting a $4000/yr oil bill plus the house is warmer. Makes me love splitting firewood that much more.
 
The Swede's (Effecta) have it right. They have come to the same conclusion Martin Lunde did with Garn 30+ years ago.
Do not cycle the fire. Period. Down that path lie true efficiency and low emissions.
 
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hobbyheater said:
The Garn Jr footprint is not going to have a much larger one than most other boilers such as the Froiling with storage added!
Unless you have a large continuous heating load, operating a wood fired boiler without storage can be a headache!
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Will have to second the idea of a closer look at the Garn Jr. Can't see how it would be bigger than a boiler with a 250 gallon storage tank. My garn has been trouble free. If trouble free is the requirement, I can't imagine you can do better. The highest efficiency? Maybe not. The easiest to deal with? I'd bet yes. No nozzles, no bridging, no fan controls, damper controls, etc.
 
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Vizsla said:
It's my fabricating shop that eats soo much fuel, that and open wind does a number with doors open/close so much. But there is close to a$100 in delivery and fees from consumers for our area. The gas itself is cheap. But we pay for Detroit and those who can't or don't pay. Just next county up doesn't have these extra fees and delivery is cheaper.

Froling it is, to bad no comments on the effecta since there is a dealer right by our Kalkaska cabin up north. I havent read about too many installs either. It's the lambda controls like the froling that seem to make the next step to clean and efficient. Along with the Tekmar boiler & DHW house control would be killer. I converted my burnham to a two stage and switched to VDT bumble bee pumps, but haven't done a full calc yet.
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After extensive research, it was Garn if outside home and Froling if inside home, but the issues of shed, UG lines, HX, extra taxes on shed, and wet ground spelled Froling and have not looked back in 3 years. Extremely happy with choice and like you I was dumping 4,500/yr(2009 prices) to the LP pirates. At the end of next season the Froling will have paid for itself, tanks, pumps and all. I have ZERO issues with smell, smoke, mess in the house and that was a serious consideration on my selection due to an asthmatic child.

Good luck

Scott
 
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Vizsla said:
I understand storage and wouldn't go ahead without it. Many thanks for ALL the replies, can never have too much info.

On the effecta what do you mean non cycle???? If that means I have to reset for each burn that's a huge neg. I would only need a 50-100k unit. Not including the shop or barn, the HL is only 39kbtu for the house. Our grand marais cabin had an aqua therm and it was pretty easy to maintain and operate.

Wood for me is free , I have endless supply and until I get picky about specie it's all cut and split in Apple bins ready to go. I would prefer the Chinese elm or Brazilian cherry to oak, since it's about double the btu's if I were real concerned about the volume. I'm thinking anything I burn is saving me money, even if its only $750-$1000 per year. That will about cover my liscense's and CE's that the man keeps raising and implementing. Anything saved is a help these days.
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Glad to see you are going to have seasoned wood ready. If you can stay ahead and have your wood c/s/s outside for a year, two or more years with your Oaks, your gassification boiler will be so much more enjoyable.
Did you decide on the Froling, or what boiler are you going with?
 
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skfire said:
. Extremely happy with choice and like you I was dumping 4,500/yr(2009 prices) to the LP pirates. At the end of next season the Froling will have paid for itself, tanks, pumps and all. I have ZERO issues with smell, smoke, mess in the house and that was a serious consideration on my selection due to an asthmatic child.
Scott
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Great post and testimony !
 
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