My Englander stove doesn't work right - ever.

Harvey Schneider · Jan 2, 2014

altarr said:
I posted the lengths a minute ago....

Also the "lower 3". When the stove is on they are 1 9 1

You are running with very little fuel and lots of air. You may be blowing most of the heat out the vent. I don't see how you can keep it lit with those settings. Mine would burn itself out in about an hour on those settings.
Something is way out of whack.

altarr · Jan 2, 2014

slvrblkk said:
ok...just to verify.....you have:.....stove adapter....1" horizontal section.....90 degree......cleanout "T"......4" of vertical.......90 degree.....1" horizontal.....cap

Is this correct?

More or less, so the cleanout T is the 90 degree, out from the stove, cleanout 90, 4 feet ish, 90, horizontal, cap.

I never get smoke in the house and when the stove does smoke (poor burning) it drafts pretty well

altarr · Jan 2, 2014

Also, I know I may seem a bit snarky in some of my replies, I am just annoyed at this thing, please do not take it personally and I sincerely appreciate ALL the help you folks are lending.

altarr · Jan 2, 2014

Harvey Schneider said:
You are running with very little fuel and lots of air. You may be blowing most of the heat out the vent. I don't see how you can keep it lit with those settings. Mine would burn itself out in about an hour on those settings.
Something is way out of whack.

This is how they told me to set it up on the phone. I was also told that this only affects the stove when its on 3 or lower. Hence "low burn,,,,".

The stove will never burn itself out unless it overflows the burnpot.

slvrblkk · Jan 2, 2014

altarr said:
Also, I know I may seem a bit snarky in some of my replies, I am just annoyed at this thing, please do not take it personally and I sincerely appreciate ALL the help you folks are lending.

None taken Brother....stove issues can ba a major pain in the ass.....we'll try and hopefully get you squared away....

Harvey Schneider · Jan 2, 2014

altarr said:
This is how they told me to set it up on the phone. I was also told that this only affects the stove when its on 3 or lower. Hence "low burn,,,,".

The stove will never burn itself out unless it overflows the burnpot.

Sorry, you have a different model than mine. I don't know what the settings should be on yours.

slvrblkk · Jan 2, 2014

I believe factory for him should be 1-4-1......they probably told him to set it on "9" to try and help eject the ash out of the pot.

based on what you gave, your vent EVL is around 14....SO you should be good with 3" vent, although it is borderline for that.

MaryH · Jan 2, 2014

altarr said:
All the seals are intact and working properly. Please keep in mind that this has happened since day 1 with the stove (brand new)

Turn off the stove and let it cool.
Unplug it, for a few seconds, then plug it back in.
Press the blower up and down buttons at the same time...(you get about 5 seconds to do this)
You will see a number displayed, that tells you what "mode" it is in.

What does it display? (should be "3")

altarr · Jan 2, 2014

slvrblkk said:
I believe factory for him should be 1-4-1......they probably told him to set it on "9" to try and help eject the ash out of the pot.

based on what you gave, your vent EVL is around 14....SO you should be good with 3" vent, although it is borderline for that.

I believe that was the thinking. But again, does this not matter unless im on 3 or less?

altarr · Jan 2, 2014

slvrblkk said:
I believe factory for him should be 1-4-1......they probably told him to set it on "9" to try and help eject the ash out of the pot.

based on what you gave, your vent EVL is around 14....SO you should be good with 3" vent, although it is borderline for that.

I can make this as long or short as needed, does it have to go higher?

MaryH · Jan 2, 2014

altarr said:
I believe that was the thinking. But again, does this not matter unless im on 3 or less?

No, it effects the stove on all settings

slvrblkk · Jan 2, 2014

altarr said:
I can make this as long or short as needed, does it have to go higher?

Preferably shorter as long as you have your 3' of rise per the manual...but you really won't gain much by removing that one section....is this the same vent configuration you had in the basement?

*******gotta head to bed, up early for snow removal...will cont. tomorrow********

double double check the ash pan and gasket and make sure that is sealing up properly..that should be properly seated on ALL sides.....

altarr · Jan 2, 2014

slvrblkk said:
Preferably shorter as long as you have your 3' of rise per the manual...but you really won't gain much by removing that one section....is this the same vent configuration you had in the basement?

No the basement went up the chimney. I ran it for about 2 weeks that way before quitting to move it upstairs the next year.

altarr · Jan 2, 2014

Here is the stove when it was starting up if this helps anyone

http://i.imgur.com/sjTxtmk.jpg

altarr · Jan 2, 2014

slvrblkk said:
Preferably shorter as long as you have your 3' of rise per the manual...but you really won't gain much by removing that one section....is this the same vent configuration you had in the basement?

*******gotta head to bed, up early for snow removal...will cont. tomorrow********

double double check the ash pan and gasket and make sure that is sealing up properly..that should be properly seated on ALL sides.....

I always push it in, on this stove it kind of sucks imho though, as the only closures are at the top ,I have always thought of running steel banding around the stove bottom to secure it better, but when I hold the match/candle up to it, the flame doesnt move, remarkably.

whlago · Jan 2, 2014

altarr said:
I have a 120 year old house with no insulation.

I'm not sure what is wrong with your stove........but I'm pretty sure this is why you are having trouble heating your home. Sorry to say but you are going to be shovelling the proverbial doo doo against the wind unless you insulate that house.

altarr · Jan 2, 2014

whlago said:
I'm not sure what is wrong with your stove........but I'm pretty sure this is why you are having trouble heating your home. Sorry to say but you are going to be shovelling the proverbial doo doo against the wind unless you insulate that house.

Ha, I have the expensive air insulation....

The stove does ok on 1. It is just the CONSTANT cleaning that makes me frustrated. When its working, the house will be almost 70. When its cold like this, probably 65 or so.

altarr · Jan 2, 2014

Also, it feels like the stove has been WHIPPING through pellets lately, could just be me.

MaryH · Jan 2, 2014

altarr said:
I can make this as long or short as needed, does it have to go higher?

A: has done it since new
B: done it in 2 different installations
C: I'm pretty confident, between you, and stove tech, the gaskets, and hardware are ok
D: you had a hardware failure, of heat sensor wires shorted....did it not work proper, after this?
E: ours ran pretty crappy for a while...turned out, i was in the wrong mode, and set to burn cherry pits
F: if you can't turn it up past "one" on the burn mode - it is not getting enough air, feeding too many pellets, or "something" is clogged

*still no answer, to the leaf blower....you can't clean, where you can't see, without it

altarr · Jan 2, 2014

MaryH said:
A: has done it since new
B: done it in 2 different installations
C: I'm pretty confident, between you, and stove tech, the gaskets, and hardware are ok
D: you had a hardware failure, of heat sensor wires shorted....did it not work proper, after this?
E: ours ran pretty crappy for a while...turned out, i was in the wrong mode, and set to burn cherry pits
F: if you can't turn it up past "one" on the burn mode - it is not getting enough air, feeding too many pellets, or "something" is clogged

*still no answer, to the leaf blower....you can't clean, where you can't see, without it

The stove worked the same before and after the replacement of the wires

i just checked the mode and its on 3. When I hit the blower buttons a three shows up on the left side readout. Damn i wish this was it.

the tech cleaned everything and used a huge air compressor.

Here is a picture of the window (which was crystal clear 1.5 hours ago) just as I shut it down a few minutes ago.

http://i.imgur.com/KZUxDjd.jpg

that is 1.5 hours on 9/9

Harvey Schneider · Jan 2, 2014

altarr said:
Also, it feels like the stove has been WHIPPING through pellets lately, could just be me.

It's been cold, of course your burning pellets. My house is well insulated and my MVAE ate three bags of pellets in the past 24 hours. I keep preaching "you can't make heat without burning pellets". This has been a really cold winter so far. Don't blame the stove for that.

Lake Girl · Jan 3, 2014

thadd677 said:
Do you have an outside air kit installed? I see that the manual for the stove says it's mandatory.

That was going to be my question...

altarr · Jan 3, 2014

Lake Girl said:
That was going to be my question...

Well my answer is the same for both of you......yes

Lake Girl · Jan 3, 2014

I understand the frustration your experiencing and likely don't want to spend any more money on this but ... Maybe you should try the swap out to 4" venting to see if that clears up the burn problems.

Edit: Basement install up the chimney should have been 4" vent based on EVL. If you were running on 3" chimney liner, it would make sense that you had burn problems. From previous answer on elbows and lengths of pipe, you may be on the limit of 3" venting.

altarr · Jan 3, 2014

Lake Girl said:
I understand the frustration your experiencing and likely don't want to spend any more money on this but ... Maybe you should try the swap out to 4" venting to see if that clears up the burn problems.

Edit: Basement install up the chimney should have been 4" vent based on EVL. If you were running on 3" chimney liner, it would make sense that you had burn problems. From previous answer on elbows and lengths of pipe, you may be on the limit of 3" venting.

Most likely impossible at this point based on the sheer impossibility of getting the original through the wall.

Also, I come in UNDER 14....which, while close to 15 isnt 15. I could attempt to vent it straight out and see if it helps....how long should I make that run? How does one support that?

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