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mike in ct

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i already have a post over in "classic stove forum" trying to identify the make and model of a stove i picked up(pictured below) so i can get some info on it to give to building inspector for permit. it has no identification tags on it. my question is this......even if.......i get someone who tells me what it is, and.....i find a webpage with a pic or drawing of it with specs......because the stove has no tag saying what it is......is the building inspector likely to accept what i give him, or reject it?

is there any kind of exemption loophole on this due to it being a pre epa stove ? i need to make sure i'm insured so i have to do things as required here and starting to get a bad vibe that this wont pan out. thanks in advance - mike
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I've never seen that stove before. It was probably a very small production run that was only sold to small market, therefore almost impossible to identify.

That looks like a sweet fireplace behind it! It would be a shame to cover it all up with that monster! A nice new insert with an inside fit panel would be awesome!
 
Agreed. It would be nice to have an insert there that shows off the stonework instead of hiding it.
 
it is a sweet fireplace. i built it. when i built it in 05, fuel was not as expensive as now, and times were good....so i did not care about heat output...just ambiance....yes, i agree, a new insert would be nice, but at the price of 3-5 grand, kinda defeats the purpose of saving money to heat with wood....i might as well just turn up thermostat and burn it as a fireplace...just my thought on it.DSCF0516.jpg

 
If you have very cheap energy maybe, but usually a stove will pay for itself in a few years if you provide the wood. There are $1000 inserts out there from Englander, Drolet and Century that won't break the bank.
 
i actually have a hearthstone H II to put in it....but i have to work on fire box first. and my time is , well lets just say i have little to no free time right now. i picked this up for free and thought ......." i'll just stick it in there and bam....heat in a jiffy"........needless to say i'm not so sure now if that will pan out
 
That won't work from the standpoint of it needing a liner to be installed to at least the first tile in the chimney and the damper sealed, you just cant pipe this thing into the fireplace without having concerns over CO poisoning due to back drafts.

I doubt an inspector will pass it with no listing tag on the unit even if you find the manual.

Nice looking fireplace, I wouldn't rush into a quick fix install.
 
Lol Fully intend to hook up stovepipe to first flue tile. and i have to make a plate to fit over bottom of damper with a hole for stovepipe to go thru, so as to seal up so no co;s come back thru. fully aware of all that. had every intention of hooking up as such.i actually intend to run a stainless liner all the way down, I am concerned about what you say in regards to the tag. That was my thought exactly. inspector told me today...." i need the manufacturers instructions to file with permit", but didn't elaborate...when it occurred to me the "no tag" might be an issue even with a manual , i called back down there, but he was out for the rest of day, and no work tomorrow, so i posted here in hopes someone who installs could shine some light.
 
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What is the throat size of the chimney clay tile liner?
 
Don't know about CT, but in Oregon, it would be illegal to install that old unidentified beast. Even if legal where I lived, I wouldn't do it in my home. Rick
 
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it is a sweet fireplace. i built it. when i built it in 05, fuel was not as expensive as now, and times were good....so i did not care about heat output...just ambiance....yes, i agree, a new insert would be nice, but at the price of 3-5 grand, kinda defeats the purpose of saving money to heat with wood....i might as well just turn up thermostat and burn it as a fireplace...just my thought on it.View attachment 123438
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It is a lot of money for a new one, but I think you underestimate the performance and the savings. My stove saves me at least $500 each month, while providing much nicer heat!
 
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Since you asked...

As a hearth pro my recommendation is scrap the insert and rebuild the H II and do the full length liner with a block off plate. Even the H II will burn cleaner than that old box and I think it will look very attractive in your fireplace. You clearly have some skill as the stonework I see attests so use the patience you clearly posses and do it right.
 
Fireshoppe said:
Since you asked...

As a hearth pro my recommendation is scrap the insert and rebuild the H II and do the full length liner with a block off plate. Even the H II will burn cleaner than that old box and I think it will look very attractive in your fireplace. You clearly have some skill as the stonework I see attests so use the patience you clearly posses and do it right.
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"rebuild the H II and do the full length liner with a block off plate. Even the H II will burn cleaner than that old box ".......as i said above, i do agree with that, and i fully intend to do that....but i am fresh out of time ....and money right now. so that may not happen for a couple few months.....and its cold right now....and i have wood....right now..........have a big house and oil is killing me, along with all my other bills. sometimes you have to do what you have to do to get thru.....if insurance weren't the issue, i would already be burning this. but until i get this resolved, and i dont know if i even will....it waits.

in response to mellow....lol, the whole inside needs replace...backplate, sideplate, secondary, and baffle. i have a plasma cutter and intend to make all the parts i need. but that is again... an issue of time.

i have a topload H II that i already put in fireplace at thanksgiving. it was all rebuilt inside by previous owner. in good shape. it fit fine, sidedoor opened as i thought it would from measuring, but it was difficult to sideload the wood and you couldn't get ashpan all the way out. and i like removing the ash with ashpan so it just wasn't going to work for me. i have 1 parts stove with a rearflue , but i looked at whats involved in switching it over...its alot of work when they have been burned in. nothing comes apart easy. my father in law did one, so i know....hes been a mechanic for 40+ years, and had some chioce words taking it apart. they go back together just fine with all the new parts...lol

so i have anther rear flue H II that is in pretty good shape, with exception of firebox. removing parts i need for that (whats left of them) is much easier of a job, so when i get the time, thats my intent.....
 
You do know that that insert will use twice the wood to produce the same amount of heat as a EPA insert. Unless you have your own wood and twice the time to cut, split, stack, and haul twice as much wood into your house. I would invest in a new stove. If you buy your wood you will save it back in no time.
 
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You do know that that insert will use twice the wood to produce the same amount of heat as a EPA insert. Unless you have your own wood and twice the time to cut, split, stack, and haul twice as much wood into your house. I would invest in a new stove. If you buy your wood you will save it back in no time.
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i am aware of that. been a member here for 6 years, lurked here a year or so before that. read lots of different threads on the epa vs non epa stoves...have used both in the past......there are pros and cons to both types of stoves.yes do have/cut/split my own wood.......you do know that burning in this old beast will produce 5 times the heat that just the fireplace produces and a fraction of the wood. believe me when i say that. any woodstove i stick in that hole would produce more heat, and use less wood, and be less work for me than just the fireplace. fireplace eats it as fast as i can feed it. believe that. but its great to sit in the room with a big fire roaring in it.
 
Very nice stone work. Is that your trade?
I don't know if I would agree with you that you would get 5 times the heat output of that fireplace with that old beast, but it's your call. It's just too bad you didn't build all that beautiful stone work around a nice big high efficiency insert back in 05, then you'd of have the beauty and functionality, and be saving money to boot.
 
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Very nice stone work. Is that your trade?
I don't know if I would agree with you that you would get 5 times the heat output of that fireplace with that old beast, but it's your call. It's just too bad you didn't build all that beautiful stone work around a nice big high efficiency insert back in 05, then you'd of have the beauty and functionality, and be saving money to boot.
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yes, is .....er was my trade. retired to save what back i still have. fireplace gives me no heat. its nice if you sit if front of it on hearth. but as far as heat....with the zone in that room off.....the residual heat from the zone in rest of that floor on...., keeps that room at about say 64 degrees. if i start a rip roaring fire in fireplace...it brings it up to 66......67 tops...just in that room, with the help of heat going in rest of house....rip roaring fire mind you.

let me give you a contrast to make my point.......power went out new years eve day, i think back in 08. i had no generator at the time. northeast utilties estimated 4 days for power to be restored. i went out to my garage where i had an old steel stove "much" smaller than this mind you with alot less btu output..... hooked it up in a couple hours......started a fire in it and whole upstairs was about 70 degrees, and the great room that is picture here was 78 degrees.....heated my whole upstairs all by its lonesome......and it was 0 outside.......

as far as shoulda coulda woulda on the insert......i had considered it at time. i like the looks of them, but i really resent the blowers, just don't like them. also considered building a heatilator fireplace, but again, don't like the blowers and i really wanted a "fireplace"for ambiance.... to toast marshmallows and make smores at holidays with kids, and to have that "campfire" feel to it. so thats why i built it as such. i had always said, if i changed my mind and wanted to use it as a heat source, i would put a freestanding stove in it .....so that's where i'm at now.

still hoping to hear from a stove installer on my original question......is there any way i can get this to pass inspection?
i read a thread somewhere on this site that a 36" clearance from combustibles would suffice if joe blow built a stove from scratch and inspector had nothing to go by. i've seen people burning reconditioned antique stoves.....in very well to do homes mind you, which i'm sure had no paperwork on it.....so i have to think that there is some loophole ....and someone who installs for a living may have some insight
 
Check with your local inspecting authority and insurance agent. They have the final say.
 
Mike I was in the same position as you and I live in Canton, which is close by you.
I was looking for a used wood stove to make the math work( wood saving money over oil). After exhaustive shopping I found a store in Vermont selling their floor model stoves at 50% off. I think they still have them listed on craigslist vertmont, the store is called houseneeds

For me I needed to be under $2500 for stove and install to save money( in my head) The Hampton h1300 was $1400 i dorve up to get it and installed it myself. 2350 for total of parts and stove. I would not install that stove, you could spend a ton of money just to figure out it does not throw any heat.
I was just about tto buy the napoleon timberwolf for $1500, it is alot of stove for the money and would look great with your fireplace. Ill post a link to houseneeds craigslist ad ,they still have a floor model available., a regency 3100 that fireplace looks too big for an insert go with a freestanding hearth unit.
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Putting that stove in your house is Lipstick on a pig, don't do it and you will probably spend alot of money to find out it doesnt work.....or burn down your house and find out insurance won't cover it.

http://burlington.craigslist.org/ppd/4270494913.html
http://burlington.craigslist.org/ppd/4270352360.html
 
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