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Kemer

Kemer

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Feb 26, 2008
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I have a 1500v garn now inside an attached room 24'x12'.on the backside of my garage.In some of my past post I wrote where I was getting sparks from my vertical chimney.So this bothers me alot.I have a 33' x14' patio with a wood fired pizza oven on it and always wanted to put a roof over it and thought why not just move the garn outside and have it on one end.I'll have a metal roof over it all and maybe even close it in with patio doors(I'll just have the roof over the pizza oven )So my questions are with the garn in a 14'x 14' room will I have any over heating problems?I will have the garn in its own enclosure and insulated plus the outer walls will be insulated.I'm only 12' from where the major plumbing is so all I'll have to do is extend stuff Wire etc. So any ideas you guys can give would be great to hear.
Harry
 
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I'd think it would be less fuss and expense to put metal roofing on the garage/boilershed, and leave the Garn where it is, if sparks and roof is the primary issue. I'd also consider adding more height to the chimney to give them more time to burn out (both going up and coming down.) Roof the patio (or as much as you want to roof) as a separate operation. Moving only 12 feet to a separate building is (IMHO) not really far enough to be a large advantage for fire protection. I don't know where I have this in my head from, but something on the order of 30 feet (wall to wall) is stuck in my head as "the minimum distance for effective fire separation." Perhaps one of our resident firefighters can comment on that...

Edit: I guess you said "12 feet from the major plumbing" not 12 feet from where it is, so perhaps there's more to than I'm seeing.
 
Boil&Toil said:
I'd think it would be less fuss and expense to put metal roofing on the garage/boilershed, and leave the Garn where it is, if sparks and roof is the primary issue. I'd also consider adding more height to the chimney to give them more time to burn out (both going up and coming down.) Roof the patio (or as much as you want to roof) as a separate operation. Moving only 12 feet to a separate building is (IMHO) not really far enough to be a large advantage for fire protection. I don't know where I have this in my head from, but something on the order of 30 feet (wall to wall) is stuck in my head as "the minimum distance for effective fire separation." Perhaps one of our resident firefighters can comment on that...
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The new chimney location will be more like 27' away from house
 
building separation was adopted in the early days of zoning in city environments. it was set up for the fire departments to safely use a ladder to gain ingress/egress from building. not really meant for sparks. sparks can be sent a long way with the wind. I am curious if there is a way to install a spark arrester on the vertical flue. mesh screen or maybe there is a commercial application that uses one.
I was curious as to if the garn vertical would have this issue. the barrel on the horizontal serves as a spark arrester.
What type of would are you burning?

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...cap&qpvt=spark+arrestor+chimney+cap&FORM=IGRE
 
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NE WOOD BURNER said:
building separation was adopted in the early days of zoning in city environments. it was set up for the fire departments to safely use a ladder to gain ingress/egress from building. not really meant for sparks. sparks can be sent a long way with the wind. I am curious if there is a way to install a spark arrester on the vertical flue. mesh screen or maybe there is a commercial application that uses one.
I was curious as to if the garn vertical would have this issue. the barrel on the horizontal serves as a spark arrester.
What type of would are you burning?

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=spark arrestor chimney cap&qpvt=spark arrestor chimney cap&FORM=IGRE
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It is a vertical and garn advised against any spark arestor.But the spark issue is only one part of the equation.I'm looking for a excuse to cover my patio so we can make pizza and bread in all weather plus the rest of the patio will be enclosed with patio doors so I can use it for a green house to grow herbs .It will also free up my attached garn room to use for storage.Buy the way I only burn hardwoods.The sparks that I get are minimal but I still don't like to see them
 
well you have your excuse now! have at it! ;)
 
flyingcow said:
Once you get everything straightened out to how you like it.......call on all hearth members to try out the pizza. Sounds like a nice road trip. No anchovies please.:)
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You can't beat a wood fired pizza
 
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Kemer said:
You can't beat a wood fired pizza
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NO DOUBT......and stromboli.....and bread.....

Btw that is what I did with the oven cover...was worth it...bread on the right, bar on the left(behind the rocker horse....after a few brewskies anything goes round here)
 

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skfire said:
NO DOUBT......and stromboli.....and bread.....

Btw that is what I did with the oven cover...was worth it...bread on the right, bar on the left(behind the rocker horse....after a few brewskies anything goes round here)
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Hey SK what you have is very close to what I want but with a garn barn on one end I'll also install patio doors on all sides that I can open in the summer and close when weather is bad.
 
yo might try a turbulator in the last pass, it has a tendancy to beat up the large density chunks on the way out. Fuel effiency llc in upstate ny is where I got mine from, you will also lower you flue temps!
 
TCaldwell said:
yo might try a turbulator in the last pass, it has a tendancy to beat up the large density chunks on the way out. Fuel effiency llc in upstate ny is where I got mine from, you will also lower you flue temps!
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I got one when they first came out but my first fire it started to puff and i pulled it back out.I'm going to give it another try probabley had nothing to do with puffing but it scared the hell out of me
 
Work's garn huffs and puffs all the time when first loaded. What I gather from reading here is that it probably means our wood is split too fine (too much surface area exposed.) Other than being annoying as heck, it does not seem to cause problems.
 
I've had my tabulator installed for over a year. It did lower my flue thermometer a little and so my efficiency should have increased a smidgeon. It did not eliminate puffing if I load too much small dry wood, so I don't load too much small dry wood.
 
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