iceguy4
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IMHO the reason for harmans being prevalent on craigs list is a testament to their value used...lesser stoves would not be as "saleable" due to their lower residual value....
Tell me about Englander stoves? How good are they?
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IMHO the reason for harmans being prevalent on craigs list is a testament to their value used...lesser stoves would not be as "saleable" due to their lower residual value....
slvrblkk
Minister of Fire
iceguy4
Minister of Fire
The moly will most likely perform better...Tiny balls work like bearings
jjones139
Feeling the Heat
While many are talking about the motor issues let me tell you mine. On my Englander 25-PDV my combustion blower screeches like holy hell for about 2-3 minutes then goes back to normal for 10-15 mins and then starts all over again. Any remedy besides replacing the unit? I've tried lube already, which did nothing. Any help would be great.....The manufacture date on my stove is 7/2013 and I installed it on 12/5/2013. Even though it was brand new in the package, I did buy it 2nd hand which appears to void the manufacturer warranty. I've emailed Englander and tried calling several times only to be put on hold in excess of 15 minutes each time. I'm still using the stove because other than the combustion blower it kicks ass 
Thanks,
John
Thanks,John
slvrblkk
Minister of Fire
Did the first owner register the stove? If not, register it on the Englander site: http://www.englanderstoves.com/warranty/warranty.html Give them a call or send an email about your problem....might be covered yet.
jjones139
Feeling the Heat
I did register it today and Englander sent me a confirmation email that it was accepted. I was just looking for a quick fix, but after going thru this site I see that many owners have complained about the same issue. Thanks for your reply
Harvey Schneider
Minister of Fire
The bearings are worn out. There is no long term fix other than replacement.While many are talking about the motor issues let me tell you mine. On my Englander 25-PDV my combustion blower screeches like holy hell for about 2-3 minutes then goes back to normal for 10-15 mins and then starts all over again. Any remedy besides replacing the unit? I've tried lube already, which did nothing. Any help would be great.....The manufacture date on my stove is 7/2013 and I installed it on 12/5/2013. Even though it was brand new in the package, I did buy it 2nd hand which appears to void the manufacturer warranty. I've emailed Englander and tried calling several times only to be put on hold in excess of 15 minutes each time. I'm still using the stove because other than the combustion blower it kicks ass
John
tjnamtiw
Minister of Fire
Can't say that I subscribe to that one when I see some of the sheeet on Craigslist. No one seems too proud to list ANYTHING! When I see a rusted Whitfield for $700 I just shake my head!
iceguy4
Minister of Fire
jjones139
Feeling the Heat
Well I can't say that I'm shocked hearing this! I'm just annoyed that a product that has only been inservice for 52 days has already crapped out
! I'm hoping now that someone in customer service will answer my email. If not then I will resort back to waiting forever on the telephone. Thanks for your reply
N.E S4
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I bought my 2004 25-PDVC used in the fall of 2012. It had a defective vacuum switch once replaced it runs like a charm. Lower auger motor went a couple weeks later, got a replacement on ebay for $50.00. 2 months after the installation I've decided to replace all of the auger motor, combustion motor, and blower motor just to be safe. I'm currently running it for 2 seasons now 24/7, shut it off once a week for 2 hours to clean.
The only thing I don't like about it is that you have to clean the burn pot twice every 24 hours.
I have a Harman P35i, love the convenient of just dumping the ash pan once a week.
If you don't mind cleaning all the time the 25 PDVC is well worth the money. I'm going to get another Harman just for the convenience.
The only thing I don't like about it is that you have to clean the burn pot twice every 24 hours.
I have a Harman P35i, love the convenient of just dumping the ash pan once a week.
If you don't mind cleaning all the time the 25 PDVC is well worth the money. I'm going to get another Harman just for the convenience.
I bought my Englander 25-pdvc stove 5 years ago second hand.I did see how the PO had it set up. They had the stove set up in the middle of thier cellar. With three 90's to make it to the outside wall. Through the wall to yet another 90 with no clean out to a 3 inch metal chimney up 15 feet. They were selling it because after the first month it started to smoke back. Kind of makes you wonder. Any way In the time I've had it. I've never had any real problem with it. It puts out enough heat to heat my home. I burn around 3 ton a year which seems pretty good seeing it never gets shut down except for a weekly cleaning. The only problem I had was the combustion blower bearing went out on it. Other then that it is all oringinal.
jjones139
Feeling the Heat
After my 4th attempt at calling Englander customer service I finally got thru. They are sending me a new combustion blower under warranty. The hardest part of this was getting thru to CS after that it was painless. Russell, CS at Englander was fantastic to deal with and also have me a few other pointers, thank you
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iceguy4
Minister of Fire
jjones139
Feeling the Heat
Absolutely
He said the 2 items that wear out prematurely are the combustion blower and the lower auger motor. Combustion blower can be prolonged by using a very good quality electrical lube. The lower and upper augers are identical and should be switched out. He recommended monthly as he does his, but not everyone has that amount of time so whenever possible. The lower auger never ceases while the top stops and goes as needed. Last, it is imperative to clean the lower auger area where it meets the burn plate to rid the excess soot that builds up because this will cause a substantial strain on the lower auger motor due to restriction.
AddictiveStew
Burning Hunk
I hate to be the only Englander person here who is negative, but you get what you pay for. I've had nothing but problems with mine since I purchased it and I've been doing all kinds of things trying to get it to work right. I think after so long I've finally got the "magic" combination of things to get it working right. The entire unit arrived with leaky door seals, ash pan seals, and the hopper lid was severely bent. Not to mention a warped burn pot. I've worked with Mike and Englander on some issues and stopped receiving responses. I've since worked some things out myself and have a better burn (thanks to some members here). I'm looking to get a Harman in the near future as I would prefer less maintenance (once a week vs 1-2x a day) and hopefully less screwing around trying to get it to work!
jjones139
Feeling the Heat
I totally understand! I'm new to the pellet stove world and I'm just trying to stay afloat. So far my only complaint is that the combustion blower only lasted 52 days
I'm well within my warranty so sending me a new blower was a definite. I'm just trying to learn what I can, especially from all of the members on the site! Sharing across this platform has been a lifesaver to many, especially when units go out of warranty
AddictiveStew
Burning Hunk
That's right! This site is a god send. But considering I go out of town on business occasionally, and I'm working full time and going to school full time, just opening the door and giving the burn pot a quick scrape (Harman) would be amazing (READ: Easier for the wife to maintain while I'm gone, she runs the dino juice machineI totally understand! I'm new to the pellet stove world and I'm just trying to stay afloat. So far my only complaint is that the combustion blower only lasted 52 days
!) I did know what I was getting into though. Hoping we get a good tax return for an upgrade this year. Then I might make the Englander my basement dweller.
iceguy4
Minister of Fire
This info should be in a "sticky" at the top of the pellet forum since so many members have these stoves! thanks for sharing!Absolutely
Scott M
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On my second season with the Englander. 5 tons have gone through it. Vacuum hose to the exhaust blower failed recently. Easy fix. I recommend the Englander to people who are not afraid to open the back of something when it breaks. Its a pretty simple system so when it needs to be fixed there is plenty of parts and support out there to get it back up and running. Sure I wish it controlled the temp a little better but I didn't feel like spending an extra 2000 bucks to have that.
jjones139
Feeling the Heat
Harvey Schneider
Minister of Fire
I run my PDVC with an old digital setback thermostat. The hookup is easy and it regulates temperature quite well as long as there is something to stir it air in the room. Mine is a basement dweller and I have a box fan suspended from the joists blowing the length of the basement.
You don''t need a stove with integrated thermostat functions to regulate temperature well.
The ESW stoves are like the VW Bug of the 60's. They take a lot of tinkering and tuning to get them just so, but they are simple enough that the average Joe can do it.
Seasoned Oak
Minister of Fire
I own both a harman and an englander wood stoves. Both are good stoves and customer service dont mean squat to me as i do my own customer service. I use both stoves but the englander heat output is much more variable than the harman and lower overall BTU output. ITs hard to compare the 2 as there is so much difference in price.
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