Have a customer who owns an englander 25pdvc and has installed it in his basement and says that since he hooked up the stove his electric bill has gone from around $89 to around $200 a month. He says he's traced it down and knows that that it what has caused his bill to increase.. Any ideas or has anyone run into this?
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Pete Zahria
Minister of Fire
If your electric rate is similar to ours, which it probly is, (~$0.17)
it should be around a buck a day... assuming an average of around a 300W load.
To use that much more, there would have to be something seriously wrong,
and by now, it would seem like it would have failed completely.
That is a lot of drag. And that extra wattage would have been converted to
some serious heat.. perhaps could have even blown the internal fuse.
my opinion of course..
Dan
it should be around a buck a day... assuming an average of around a 300W load.
To use that much more, there would have to be something seriously wrong,
and by now, it would seem like it would have failed completely.
That is a lot of drag. And that extra wattage would have been converted to
some serious heat.. perhaps could have even blown the internal fuse.
my opinion of course..
Dan
Thanks Dan, I did neglect to say that he says the stove works great and has had no problem orther then the electric side if it. But I agree with you and do appreciate your advice
slvrblkk
Minister of Fire
If it is the stove - the only thing that would draw that much, is if the igniter, was was constantly on(?)
Harvey Schneider
Minister of Fire
Even if the heater was on all the time it couldn't consume that much power by a factor of about 2
Stove consumption
300 W x 24 hr/day x 30 days/mo =216 kWhr/mo
Electric bill
$110 / (0.20 $/kWhr) = 550 kWhr
Edit
I forgot to include the two blowers and the auger motors.
Back with more numbers later.
Pete Zahria
Minister of Fire
While I have not put a meter on my stove, I may tomorrow if someone else doesn't
give more accurate numbers, I think I was being generous
with the 300W. I'd bet it's closer to 200, than 3.
To consume that much more power, that igniter would be pushing around
the same power as a hotplate.. I wouldn't think that little igniter would be that big of draw. (?)
Dan.
give more accurate numbers, I think I was being generous
with the 300W. I'd bet it's closer to 200, than 3.
To consume that much more power, that igniter would be pushing around
the same power as a hotplate.. I wouldn't think that little igniter would be that big of draw. (?)
Dan.
Harvey Schneider
Minister of Fire
That igniter is about 300W
The combustion blower and convection blower are each around 100W if they are running full power all the time. and the auger motors are around 50W each although the upper auger only runs a fraction of the time.
So bottom line is:
If the stove was running full tilt 24/7/30 it could pull that much power.
Pete Zahria
Minister of Fire
Yesterday was a good day to clean the stove, so out of curiosity,
and because of this thread, I decided to monitor the power consumption
of the stove when I restarted... in case others with similar stoves were
curious..
Pleasantly, it actually drew considerably less than I thought...
During Start Up 336w
~7 minutes in 334w
~16 minutes stove went into run mode
settings:
3 bottom buttons 3-3-1 mode C
5-5, 130w-149w
9-9 140w-162w
1-6 110w-124w
1-4 100w-117w (usual setting)
Dan
and because of this thread, I decided to monitor the power consumption
of the stove when I restarted... in case others with similar stoves were
curious..
Pleasantly, it actually drew considerably less than I thought...
During Start Up 336w
~7 minutes in 334w
~16 minutes stove went into run mode
settings:
3 bottom buttons 3-3-1 mode C
5-5, 130w-149w
9-9 140w-162w
1-6 110w-124w
1-4 100w-117w (usual setting)
Dan
$110.00 more a month just to run the stove? No way! I don't buy it. I save money running my stove in the winter time. No more AC. Every room in my house seems to have one of those 1500 watt heaters in them going full bore (which I'm constantly turning off). $35.00 more a month, sure. $110.00, no.
Harvey Schneider
Minister of Fire
The math above is only for a failure mode where everything in the stove is pulling maximum power all the time. An unlikely circumstance, but remotely possible. It is far more likely that something else is going on.
I recently saw a 25% increase in my electric bill. It turned out that I wasn't using more power, in fact I was using less. NAP decided to raise the generation cost by nearly 50%.
We don't get to see that whole picture when we get queries like these and the best we can do is answer the question asked as factually as we can.
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