Question about the new EBT system.

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So if they put the EBT box over the secondary air intake does that mean it get less secondary air when the EBT is not open or did they redesign the secondary channel alltogether.
I fat fingered the title and dont think I can change it.
 
fixed the title. yes, less secondary air when the EBT series B is closed.
 
Also I wonder if a retro would be worth it, seems like it would not be to hard to make that change.
 
I have the new insert ( B body I think, not the newest C body)with the new EBT.
I don't think when closed, it makes less secondary air than normal. What it does do, is add air to the secondaries when opened, and when it closes the secondary air goes back to normal amount of flow.
It merely adds more air when needed via draft/gravity flapper, vs the old barometric spring design.
I am happy with the new insert, still too early to tell for me as far as much difference. Have not had this cold a winter in a long time, so also hard to compare based on this winter.
Seems to get somewhat longer burn times. I am on 12 hour reloads, and many times seems I could go another 2 or 3 hours +/- with the coals that are in there(using oak or other good hard woods). On warmer (over 30) days, 16 hours is not a rare occurrence( to have plenty of coals for reload).
Appears to spike to a lower temp, and slowly raise there, and slowly drop back down. Not sure if this is only due to the new EBT or not.
I am finding each year I am still honing my burning skills and habits for even less wood usage and dialing in the stove more and more. This is 8 seasons in.
To be fair, this is the first season with the new Summit I installed last summer.
The baffle is beefed up more than the old style, but still sags some. Just not going to get away from that with a massive box of sheet s.s. heating up to the temps of hell.
At this point, I will say I feel it burns slightly better than the older style. But not a night and day difference.
 
I can't comment whether it's better then the old system. I have a new T6 with EBT and it works well. The T6 is a great stove! I can get 10 hours on a full load.
 
Hogwildz said:
I have the new insert ( B body I think, not the newest C body)with the new EBT.
I don't think when closed, it makes less secondary air than normal. What it does do, is add air to the secondaries when opened, and when it closes the secondary air goes back to normal amount of flow.
It merely adds more air when needed via draft/gravity flapper, vs the old barometric spring design.
I am happy with the new insert, still too early to tell for me as far as much difference. Have not had this cold a winter in a long time, so also hard to compare based on this winter.
Seems to get somewhat longer burn times. I am on 12 hour reloads, and many times seems I could go another 2 or 3 hours +/- with the coals that are in there(using oak or other good hard woods). On warmer (over 30) days, 16 hours is not a rare occurrence( to have plenty of coals for reload).
Appears to spike to a lower temp, and slowly raise there, and slowly drop back down. Not sure if this is only due to the new EBT or not.
I am finding each year I am still honing my burning skills and habits for even less wood usage and dialing in the stove more and more. This is 8 seasons in.
To be fair, this is the first season with the new Summit I installed last summer.
The baffle is beefed up more than the old style, but still sags some. Just not going to get away from that with a massive box of sheet s.s. heating up to the temps of hell.
At this point, I will say I feel it burns slightly better than the older style. But not a night and day difference.
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So do you think your burn times are a bit better than your old stove? Seems like they should be if PE moved the EBT from primary air to secondary.

I think a consistant 12 hour reload schedule is pretty dang good for this Winter. Do you have to pack the stove tight every time to achieve 12 hours?

How bad of a baffle sag? Those baffles have a life time warranty correct?
 
mfetcho said:
I can't comment whether it's better then the old system. I have a new T6 with EBT and it works well. The T6 is a great stove! I can get 10 hours on a full load.
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What type of wood are you burning?
 
Todd said:
So do you think your burn times are a bit better than your old stove? Seems like they should be if PE moved the EBT from primary air to secondary.

I think a consistant 12 hour reload schedule is pretty dang good for this Winter. Do you have to pack the stove tight every time to achieve 12 hours?

How bad of a baffle sag? Those baffles have a life time warranty correct?
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Like I said, this winter does not compare to any of the other 7 I have used a Summit, so hard to compare this year.
And I have had this newer model this season so far.
I have a habit of packing her full as I can. But I have also been a bit lazier and packed it, but not to the gills and still have great coal bed for reload at or after 12 hours.
Now to be fair, I am very forgiving of temp swings, so I will see highs anywhere from merely 66 to 68 or 70 depending on the outside temp, wind etc. And lows of anywhere from 66 down to 61 at morning when I wake up.
I have even used the oil furnace very rarely to get the house up to temp while waiting on reload to get back up to temp. I did the same with the old Summit.
On milder days, say over 30, I can get 12 hours off a slightly smaller load, maybe 3/4.
I don't claim it to be a miracle insert, but it really does a great job as far as I am concerned.
Once I get the 30 hooked up in the addition, this place should be more toasty than I could want LOL.\The baffles do have a lifetime warranty.
The sag is nothing catastrophic, just more so a small buckle a little in the middle and towards the front. Does not affect performance.
My old insert had same baffle sag, and still performed like new after 7 years. The insulation on the top and sides will be the first to go, and that was still useable after 7 seasons, no problem.
 
I try and burn oak at night, trying to burn up this shitload of cherry, with some ash during the day. Some hickory as well will be mixed in in either load as I come across it in the stack.
I am a snob and love my oak. I do not really care for cherry, ash or maple, as there is way too much ash compared to the oak.
Last couple years were black walnut and oak. The walnut also left a ton of ash.
At least the cherry leaves a good bit of coals, but way too much ash.
I usually get about 8 hrs or so in the shoulder season with pine.
The stack now is a majority of cherry, ash and oak. Too much cherry, and I told my log man that I want mostly oak for now on, and he was very happy to oblige.
There is also a few sticks of birch mixed in too. Really seems any hardwoods go the distance. I just don't care for all the ash left over from dome of those woods.
 
Hogwildz said:
Like I said, this winter does not compare to any of the other 7 I have used a Summit, so hard to compare this year.
And I have had this newer model this season so far.
I have a habit of packing her full as I can. But I have also been a bit lazier and packed it, but not to the gills and still have great coal bed for reload at or after 12 hours.
Now to be fair, I am very forgiving of temp swings, so I will see highs anywhere from merely 66 to 68 or 70 depending on the outside temp, wind etc. And lows of anywhere from 66 down to 61 at morning when I wake up.
I have even used the oil furnace very rarely to get the house up to temp while waiting on reload to get back up to temp. I did the same with the old Summit.
On milder days, say over 30, I can get 12 hours off a slightly smaller load, maybe 3/4.
I don't claim it to be a miracle insert, but it really does a great job as far as I am concerned.
Once I get the 30 hooked up in the addition, this place should be more toasty than I could want LOL.\The baffles do have a lifetime warranty.
The sag is nothing catastrophic, just more so a small buckle a little in the middle and towards the front. Does not affect performance.
My old insert had same baffle sag, and still performed like new after 7 years. The insulation on the top and sides will be the first to go, and that was still useable after 7 seasons, no problem.
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What is the 30 you are going to hook up?
 
The 30 is an Summers Heat 50-scn30, same as an Englander 30.
 
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