Which Englander to buy? PAH or IP?

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PoopieBritches

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Jan 14, 2013
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Berne,NY
Wanting to buy a new stove. Need more heating capacity than the PDVC puts out. It has done a great job for me, just want to trim the propain usage even more!
Would love to buy a new Harman, just can't afford one. Thought about used, but could easily end up paying as much for used as a new stove if there ends up being any undisclosed problems. I know, no one would be selling a used stove that's got issues, right? LOL

So, I am a big fan of the "do it yourself" ideology of the Englander (and of course the price). I've narrowed it down to these two stoves.
The real question I have is, which one is more efficient? I know the IP has higher Sq ft ratings, but eats more pounds per hour.
Hoping that Mike Holton might be able to shed some light? PLEASE :)

I believe either will do the job, but really would like to get the most efficient of the two.
According to the specs in the manuals, PAH heats 500sqft per lb, IP 425.5sqft per lb. input. I know these are estimates.
Not sure how much one can rely on the specs from the manuals, for example, the input rating of the smaller PDVC (38,000btu) is vastly greater than the input rating of the larger PDV (26,000btu). These are actual numbers that are shown on the data plates of these stoves, which are pictured in their respective manuals.
Doesn't make any sense to me, and I have visually witnessed that the plates on actual stoves setting side by side at Lowes show the same disparity?
Very confusing indeed, one model will be rated at input per hr, another output per hr. Which is easy enough to figure out, but, then, some are rated Kg/hr, another Lb/hr? Ughhh...

I think I may need a day job! LOL (I work nights)

Thanks for reading, and any input Y'all may have.
 
Wanting to buy a new stove. Need more heating capacity than the PDVC puts out. It has done a great job for me, just want to trim the propain usage even more!
Would love to buy a new Harman, just can't afford one. Thought about used, but could easily end up paying as much for used as a new stove if there ends up being any undisclosed problems. I know, no one would be selling a used stove that's got issues, right? LOL

So, I am a big fan of the "do it yourself" ideology of the Englander (and of course the price). I've narrowed it down to these two stoves.
The real question I have is, which one is more efficient? I know the IP has higher Sq ft ratings, but eats more pounds per hour.
Hoping that Mike Holton might be able to shed some light? PLEASE :)

I believe either will do the job, but really would like to get the most efficient of the two.
According to the specs in the manuals, PAH heats 500sqft per lb, IP 425.5sqft per lb. input. I know these are estimates.
Not sure how much one can rely on the specs from the manuals, for example, the input rating of the smaller PDVC (38,000btu) is vastly greater than the input rating of the larger PDV (26,000btu). These are actual numbers that are shown on the data plates of these stoves, which are pictured in their respective manuals.
Doesn't make any sense to me, and I have visually witnessed that the plates on actual stoves setting side by side at Lowes show the same disparity?
Very confusing indeed, one model will be rated at input per hr, another output per hr. Which is easy enough to figure out, but, then, some are rated Kg/hr, another Lb/hr? Ughhh...

I think I may need a day job! LOL (I work nights)

Thanks for reading, and any input Y'all may have.
I purchased a timber ridge factory second from AM/FM energy it is a multi fuel stove and is made by Englander it is the 10 CPM and its a 49trcpm. I paid $1,349 delivered to a local dock near my home. I'm heating a 2300 sq ft home with it and it works great. Keeps the home at 69°to 72° and its in the low teens to below 0° here. I've owned it for a month now and my furnace has come on one time. I cannot say enough good about this stove or AM/FM Energy, Englander and there support team.
Look up AM/FM and give them a call. There stoves carry the same warranty as the Englander because there made by Englander. They said mine was a factory blim, I cannot find a blimish any place on my stove. By the way Mike Holton was the person who refurbished my stove and shipped it to me.
 
Look up AM/FM and give them a call.
That's who I will buy from for sure, once I make up my mind. Thanks for the input. Glad to hear that you're enjoying your stove. I was also thinking of the CPM, especially after reading about IMACMAN'S run with it.(59 bags without opening the door, WOW)
Still undecided thus far, I keep reading reviews where people seem to be having issues with the drop feed Englanders. They seem to have issues with fines jamming the auger. Brother in law has the EP, he sifts pellets with a colander!
I don't mind doing some work to run a stove, but definitely won't be sifting any pellets.
This keeps bringing me back to the ole PDV. I know they're old school, but the double auger feed will eat pretty much anything I put in it. Biggest draw back I find with them is the burn pot design.
IDK, perhaps I will hold off on a new stove, and focus my time on trying to come up with a better burn pot for my PDVC. If I can work something good for it, I can always adapt it to the larger PDV.
Thanks
 
As far as buying a used Harman I think if you bought a p series you could replace all the working electrical components for around $600. Very easy to work on too. Can't remember an issue requiring replacement of auger assembly being posted here. Will be selling our spare pc45 as the profile pictured stove has had no issues other than with the operator.
 
As far as buying a used Harman I think if you bought a p series you could replace all the working electrical components for around $600. Very easy to work on too. Can't remember an issue requiring replacement of auger assembly being posted here. Will be selling our spare pc45 as the profile pictured stove has had no issues other than with the operator.
I will wait and see what comes up in the off season, have to admit, would love me a Harman.
 
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