iceguy4
Minister of Fire
Nice looking stove. yep, we are evolving! here it is 25 posts into a thread and it hasn't turned into a beer thread
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alternativeheat
Minister of Fire
Someone will chime in and tell you you are official now maybe !
Good luck with the dealer, and do pick up a couple of bags of some different pellets, see how they do. I woke up this morning to the warm glow in my stair well from the stove ( still dark out when I wake up, I'm an early riser). Burning fine, the dining room T Stat read 75. We are on schedule to save about $1200- $1500 this winter in fuel cost but some of that was because of my old coal stove. Next winter when I can buy pellets in bulk or by pallet at a better price than at this moment in the heating season , we should do better than that. And the P61 chows pellets more so than a 52i I believe ( we are averaging two bags a day, heating the whole house but I'm using expensive pellets not cheapies).. In mid winter my oil costs were pretty close to $700 per month and more in that 0 - single digit crap, these pellets $400. Our apartment dweller will burn probably $90 per month in oil still but hey, he is also part of our income, we like him warm and comfortable..
We have always liked the warmth of a stove in the house, been burning one style stove or another for more than 35 years. It's not a life changing savings in fuel cost, though when young and unable to pay a big oil bill I guess you could say it was in a sense. It's abut comfort and more than one kind of warmth.
iceguy4
Minister of Fire
Let me be the one
welcome NPG... Things use to be a lil different around here. There is a "pellet pig club" for members who buy (steal) acquire a certain amount of pellets and some other requirements. I met all the requirements (exceeded most by a lot) all this to not being officially inducted into the club. Now my position is....I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member...LOLHello,
I searched for threads on the 52i and this is the one that came up. I have a question, and I hope I'm not out of line. What did everyone pay for their 52i? I tried going to the salesman and paying cash to get a better deal so to speak, and he said the price didn't change for cash. ($3,999 starting price). Is there no place to get a better deal than the salesman's "deal"? Since when did cash not get a better rate? I only need the price of the actual unit, I'll install it myself.
Anyway, I have seen the old Accentra in person, but for all that money, 42,000 BTU's just didn't seem like enough. But the new one with 52k seems like a good deal. Thanks in advance.
I searched for threads on the 52i and this is the one that came up. I have a question, and I hope I'm not out of line. What did everyone pay for their 52i? I tried going to the salesman and paying cash to get a better deal so to speak, and he said the price didn't change for cash. ($3,999 starting price). Is there no place to get a better deal than the salesman's "deal"? Since when did cash not get a better rate? I only need the price of the actual unit, I'll install it myself.
Anyway, I have seen the old Accentra in person, but for all that money, 42,000 BTU's just didn't seem like enough. But the new one with 52k seems like a good deal. Thanks in advance.
Rob you live 5 miles from me. Our dealer won't deal. I got mine for 3599 in Delaware and I love it.
alternativeheat
Minister of Fire
I've felt the difference between the old Accentra insert and the 52i, it's noticeable. We decided after thinking long and hard about the 52i, to buy a free standing stove. But in the middle of that process the dealer had a special on the 52i for $3,799. I do not know if that included the already existing Harman $100 off or not. But I can tell you, the guy isn't dealing on his own, nor on installation. It was a store special I guess. Our P61a we installed ourselves, still pretty pricey but it's good parts and a top notch install in the end. We used all the dealer suggested parts and bought from him. We like supporting locals, hopefully when you need them they are still in business !!
Wow, that's better. Was that with parts, or just the unit itself? I have yet to see the 52i in person, any chance you'd be good for a personal tour sometime later this week? I'd love to see it in person. My number is 2--4-o-6-seven-4o886. At the very least I'd like to get the Delaware info you might have, I guess you can't beat tax free shopping either. (Sorry for jacking te thread with my posts)
Hey, I'm not bad mouthing the local dealer. They really know their stuff, it's just there prices are high. I like the guys that work there, and I buy my pellets from them as opposed to anywhere else.
A quick update…..
I've been running the stove on Room Temp with a feed rate of 4 and the temp dial at approx. 73 degrees. It seems to have settled into a very nice routine. Flame most of the time. Shutting down for a bit every now and then. The house is comfortable and the ash buildup is a bit less. If I boost the blower from low to medium it pushes the heat into the rest of the house pretty quickly.
I haven't been back to the dealer as I'm waiting to see how things settle in with the stove.
I've been running the stove on Room Temp with a feed rate of 4 and the temp dial at approx. 73 degrees. It seems to have settled into a very nice routine. Flame most of the time. Shutting down for a bit every now and then. The house is comfortable and the ash buildup is a bit less. If I boost the blower from low to medium it pushes the heat into the rest of the house pretty quickly.
I haven't been back to the dealer as I'm waiting to see how things settle in with the stove.
alternativeheat
Minister of Fire
Great news then!
I run my P61a in room temp manual,... I rather it go down to idle vs off. My blower is set to just off the L on low. If the stove really kicks up overnight the blower will pick up speed anyway. Where my probe is located I set the stove to75 and that pretty much keeps the house 73. 73 day and night. In my house there would be little to gain with room temp auto and manual saves on igniter wear.
Spoke too soon….
The stove shut down. I thought it was because it was out of pellets (there were some left in the hopper but only a handful) or maybe that it had reached the room temp. At any rate, I turned it off, emptied the ash pan, scraped the burn pot, and filled the hopper back up. I turned the dial back on but the stove won't ignite. It's feeding pellets and they keep getting pushed right into the ash pan. I've emptied them out from the burn pot (it was definitely hot but nothing ignited) and tried again but it still hasn't ignited. This is the second time this has happened in the 2 1/2 weeks I've had the stove. Both times it was on the Room Temp setting.
Any ideas?
The stove shut down. I thought it was because it was out of pellets (there were some left in the hopper but only a handful) or maybe that it had reached the room temp. At any rate, I turned it off, emptied the ash pan, scraped the burn pot, and filled the hopper back up. I turned the dial back on but the stove won't ignite. It's feeding pellets and they keep getting pushed right into the ash pan. I've emptied them out from the burn pot (it was definitely hot but nothing ignited) and tried again but it still hasn't ignited. This is the second time this has happened in the 2 1/2 weeks I've had the stove. Both times it was on the Room Temp setting.
Any ideas?
I finally just let it run, dumping unused pellets into the ash pan. It shut itself off and the status light indicated "the stove did not ignite within the 36 minute startup window. Try again."
I vacuumed out some ash (just did a good cleaning on Sat.), especially behind the access door to the ignitor. A lot of ash builds up in there quickly. Is there an easy way to clean that out? Seems the vacuum nozzle can't really fit in there.
Anyway, seems odd that I would have to vacuum again after I just did it 3 days ago. But, I started it back up and it started feeding pellets. After about 15 minutes it ignited. Now it's up and running.
Should I be concerned?
I vacuumed out some ash (just did a good cleaning on Sat.), especially behind the access door to the ignitor. A lot of ash builds up in there quickly. Is there an easy way to clean that out? Seems the vacuum nozzle can't really fit in there.
Anyway, seems odd that I would have to vacuum again after I just did it 3 days ago. But, I started it back up and it started feeding pellets. After about 15 minutes it ignited. Now it's up and running.
Should I be concerned?
alternativeheat
Minister of Fire
Just curious, what pellets are you using and what ash content do they advertise on the bag ? I try to buy only .5 ash or less pellets. At any rate if your lower chamber of the pot is full of ash obviously you will get a lousy burn as the fire starves for air.
I doubt your ESP is that dirty yet that it doesn't record accurate stack temps. But that is an item that can cause what you are getting.
I don't know about where you are but here right now it's single digits, the stove is cranking on with some serious heat and larger feeds of pellets. Still in Harman's system it should not over feed and that's what you are describing. But dirt and ash can cause problems.
My vac has an optional hose with an adapter. It looks like soda fountain hose, maybe 3/8" inside diameter or there about, 1/2" maybe. But you can get back into odd places to reach with that. You could adapt something like that onto your vac hose if it didn't come with it. That's what I'm getting into my lower burn pot chamber with ( on my first cleaning there wasn't a lot in there, I just brushed it out). On my P61 part of the framework of the stove inside deflects the large hose of the vacuum.
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Enigma869
Feeling the Heat
Emptying the ash pan on the Accentra insert every couple of days is quite "normal". The ash pan is very small. When we moved on to the P68, I was stunned by how large the ash pan is. I would say that going much more than three or four days without emptying your ash pan (with the insert) will cause quite the mess.
alternativeheat
Minister of Fire
True but I don't think in this latest description he is speaking of the ash pan filling. Instead he has a mess in the air chamber leading to the burn pot. So below the holes in the burn pot.
I've been using Energex premium softwood blend pellets. They claim an ash content of .5-.7%. I got two tons (buy one get one free) with the stove install so as of now that's the only brand I know.
I don't mind emptying the ash pan. It's quick and easy. I was just confused by the stories of people who empty their ash pan only once a month. Maybe those folks have the P68 stove with the huge ash pan.
It does seem that maybe the lower chamber is the issue. Is it normal to get so much ash buildup in there, and so quickly?
I don't mind emptying the ash pan. It's quick and easy. I was just confused by the stories of people who empty their ash pan only once a month. Maybe those folks have the P68 stove with the huge ash pan.
It does seem that maybe the lower chamber is the issue. Is it normal to get so much ash buildup in there, and so quickly?
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