Another pole barn idea

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I ran the span calculator again and found the following: At 20lbs psf live load and 10lbs psf dead load, which is considered an "attic" or ceiling joist spec, a #2 Doug Fir 2 x 10 spaced 16" OC will span 19' 7" which just makes it. That said, 2 x 10 x 20s run about $25 each at the local lumberyard, whereas 2 x 12 x 20s are about $28 each. Now that I'm only doing a loft over half of the barn (12' x 20' will be plenty of space), I only need 10 joists, so going with 2 x 10s over 2 x 12s will only save me $30. I get what you're saying though. The plan for the loft right now is just the crap that is clogging up the basement and closets-out of season clothes, seasonal decorations, baby stuff and toys that kid number one has outgrown that we'll need for kids two through ??? ;lol The really heavy stuff (tools and equipment) will stay on the ground floor.


attic or ceiling joist is not rated for storage. 10 lb psf is way to low, for a storage load 2x12 syp is only about 17 foot. better run those numbers again.
back to my suggestion above^^^^^^, have a qualified person run the loads and supply you with stamped drawings. You will save a lot of money in the long run and the building will stay standing.
 
attic or ceiling joist is not rated for storage. 10 lb psf is way to low, for a storage load 2x12 syp is only about 17 foot. better run those numbers again. back to my suggestion above^^^^^^, have a qualified person run the loads and supply you with stamped drawings. You will save a lot of money in the long run and the building will stay standing.

Or I may just say screw it and throw a post and a girder underneath it and call it a day. This is all just for speculation anyway. I live in NJ so the code inspector will have the final say on what I do. I'm just playing with Google Sketchup because I'm snowed in and there's nothing else to do... :p
 
I ran the span calculator again and found the following: At 20lbs psf live load and 10lbs psf dead load, which is considered an "attic" or ceiling joist spec, a #2 Doug Fir 2 x 10 spaced 16" OC will span 19' 7" which just makes it. That said, 2 x 10 x 20s run about $25 each at the local lumberyard, whereas 2 x 12 x 20s are about $28 each. Now that I'm only doing a loft over half of the barn (12' x 20' will be plenty of space), I only need 10 joists, so going with 2 x 10s over 2 x 12s will only save me $30. I get what you're saying though. The plan for the loft right now is just the crap that is clogging up the basement and closets-out of season clothes, seasonal decorations, baby stuff and toys that kid number one has outgrown that we'll need for kids two through ??? ;lol The really heavy stuff (tools and equipment) will stay on the ground floor.

Makes since and somewhere I missed the 20' span. Good luck with the build!
 
Those socket systems are pretty neat! I wonder if there is really any saving to using them though? The YouTube video of one guy putting up a pole barn is neat, but the guy had lots of little tricks to help him out.
 
Ok-I think I got it. If I downsize a bit and use a similar design (USDA plans) I can build an 18' wide gambrel barn. This way I only need to span 16' - 11". I'll build two lofts, 8' wide, one at either end of the building, using 2 x 12s, 12" OC. I tripled checked it this time ;), and #2 Doug Fir 2 x 12s spaced 12" OC will span over 19', so with some blocking the lofts should be solid as a rock. FWIW, 2 x 10s fall just short at 16' - 5". I'll lose about 48 SF of the footprint, but I'll end up with nearly 300 SF of loft space, so I think it works out.
 
I didn't see an answer to your question about the requirement to tie the "rafters" together, Yes the tails need to be tied together for that system to work and not spread the walls.
 
I didn't see an answer to your question about the requirement to tie the "rafters" together, Yes the tails need to be tied together for that system to work and not spread the walls.
I suggested cables in post #20.
 
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